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taurenmoo812
It'd have to be something damn good. The Dragonmaw clan's actions in the Second War are the only thing I've ever seen an Orc come close to actually apologising for. And Orcs, apparently, don't "do" sorry.
Actully sometimes they do
. He came as ambassabor to wyrnmrest to make amends with alexstrazsa in the name of his people, for what happened to her years before.
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Adamsm
Again, haven't gotten that far into Northrend; I know there was a Taunka city, wasn't sure if it was like Frosthold or not.
wotlks been out for 2 years and you havent gotten to stormpeaks yet?
....Not on a Horde toon.
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Post by
GVHB
Btw guys, the Grimtotems are/were Horde.
As a whole the clan is part of the Horde, according to the lore, even though the clan practices secret agendas, that often go against the Horde. Yes there are individual groups of members of the clan that are more open with their dark agendas than others, and yes there have been witnesses to these acts by survivors, who want the Grimtotem stopped. But overall the majority of the clan are considered to be "Horde" affilated
Horde Player's Guide Page 162
According to lore, they are part of the Horde, since their leadership lives in Thunder Bluff, and Magatha is part of the Council of Elders there.
Its kind of like the KKK, burning down houses, and schools and communities, while actually being citizens of the United States. Its possible to have domestic terrorism.
Probably not anymore, we aren't sure but there was an spoiler going aroud here that said the Grimtotems poisoned Cairne and he died. So, Garrosh led the Horde forces in an assault to retake Thunderbluff from Magatha Grimtotem.
The Grimtotems the Alliance encounter in Stonetalon might be the ones that were exiled from Thunderbluff after the Horde recaptured it.
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Adamsm
Btw guys, the Grimtotems are/were Horde.
As a whole the clan is part of the Horde, according to the lore, even though the clan practices secret agendas, that often go against the Horde. Yes there are individual groups of members of the clan that are more open with their dark agendas than others, and yes there have been witnesses to these acts by survivors, who want the Grimtotem stopped. But overall the majority of the clan are considered to be "Horde" affilated
Horde Player's Guide Page 162
According to lore, they are part of the Horde, since their leadership lives in Thunder Bluff, and Magatha is part of the Council of Elders there.
Its kind of like the KKK, burning down houses, and schools and communities, while actually being citizens of the United States. Its possible to have domestic terrorism.
There still the Dark Faction of the Tauren, like RAS(literally in all honesty).
Post by
taurenmoo812
There still the Dark Faction of the Tauren, like RAS(literally in all honesty).
which is now allied with the alliance. Grimtotem asking alliance players to fight and kill the horde, now the alliance have come down to the level of working with savages and backstabbers.
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GVHB
There still the Dark Faction of the Tauren, like RAS(literally in all honesty).
which is now allied with the alliance. Grimtotem asking alliance players to fight and kill the horde, now the alliance have come down to the level of working with savages and backstabbers.
Well yeah, aren't the Forsakens backstabbers too?
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taurenmoo812
There still the Dark Faction of the Tauren, like RAS(literally in all honesty).
which is now allied with the alliance. Grimtotem asking alliance players to fight and kill the horde, now the alliance have come down to the level of working with savages and backstabbers.
Well yeah, aren't the Forsakens backstabbers too?
The RAS were, but the forsaken players and many of those that ran from undercity weren't.
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Adamsm
There still the Dark Faction of the Tauren, like RAS(literally in all honesty).
which is now allied with the alliance. Grimtotem asking alliance players to fight and kill the horde, now the alliance have come down to the level of working with savages and backstabbers.
And that's new how lol; depending on point of view, you've just described the Frenzyheart, the Scryers, Timbermaw(savage part); a lot of groups are vicious in Azeroth and Outland, which, seeing as it is a war torn world, that makes sense. And they aren't 'allied'; the Alliance are doing quests to buy passage through Stonetalon and not have to fight with the Grimtotems, this entire thing is more 'The Enemy of my enemy is my friend' thing.
Well yeah, aren't the Forsakens backstabbers too?
The RAS were, but the forsaken players and many of those that ran from undercity weren't.
Players don't really count... at all, seeing as you have players who just camp and kill at the npc towns. And of course not all Forsaken are; but RAS and Sylvanas were(again, seeing as she watched and was responsible for the Blight idea in the first place), not to mention her actions in Warcraft 3(again though, it was fairly obvious both Garithos and the Dreadlords were going to betray her as soon as possible).
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taurenmoo812
Players don't really count... at all, seeing as you have players who just camp and kill at the npc towns. And of course not all Forsaken are; but RAS and Sylvanas were(again, seeing as she watched and was responsible for the Blight idea in the first place), not to mention her actions in Warcraft 3(again though, it was fairly obvious both Garithos and the Dreadlords were going to betray her as soon as possible).
You really get a bee in your pants when someone mentions the forsaken don't you, even those forsaken not part of the coup that happened are to blame apparently.
And still stands, alliance are now teaming up with a band of tauren that kill there own kind and betray any loyalty to them.
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GVHB
And still stands, alliance are now teaming up with a band of tauren that kill there own kind and betray any loyalty to them.
Just for convenience, the Alliance wants to get into Barrens and, instead of wasting resources in fighting the Grimtotems, they make a pact: "We kill the hordies that want to wipe you out and you let us pass".
Is not "teaming up" Grimtotems won't have any influence in the Alliance.
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Adamsm
Players don't really count... at all, seeing as you have players who just camp and kill at the npc towns. And of course not all Forsaken are; but RAS and Sylvanas were(again, seeing as she watched and was responsible for the Blight idea in the first place), not to mention her actions in Warcraft 3(again though, it was fairly obvious both Garithos and the Dreadlords were going to betray her as soon as possible).
You really get a bee in your pants when someone mentions the forsaken don't you, even those forsaken not part of the coup that happened are to blame apparently.
And still stands, alliance are now teaming up with a band of tauren that kill there own kind and betray any loyalty to them.
Tauren read what I say, not what you think is there: I agreed with you that not all Forsaken are backstabbers.... but that there is already proof for it; and sorry, but if Skree can't convince me about Sylvanas, nothing will. And fyi Tauren; don't cast stones, seeing as any topic with Thrall or Garrosh puts something in your pants.
And again, it's not an 'alliance' Tauren, as the Grimtotem aren't joining up; at most it's a partner ship for a free pass into Horde controlled lands.
And still stands, alliance are now teaming up with a band of tauren that kill there own kind and betray any loyalty to them.
Just for convenience, the Alliance wants to get into Barrens and, instead of wasting resources in fighting the Grimtotems, they make a pact: "We kill the hordies that want to wipe you out and you let us pass".
Is not "teaming up" Grimtotems won't have any influence in the Alliance.
^ This.
Post by
taurenmoo812
You just don't want to admit that the alliance needs to get there hands dirty do you.
Post by
Monday
You just don't want to admit that the alliance needs to get there hands dirty do you.
Think about this for a moment here.
1. The Grimtotems are only part of the Horde in name only and basically defected long ago.
2. They aren't allied, they are in a pact of convenience.
3. Basically we help them and they help us.
4. They are NOT part of the Alliance.
You just don't want to admit that not all Tauren want to be in the Horde.
Post by
GVHB
I personally don't see nothing bad in what the alliance is going to the on Stonetalon.
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