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Neverending Winter not that good for 251?
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582040
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Post by
Kciroj
It also gives 87 block value which is better than block rating I believe.
Block Value increases the amount blocked, while Rating increase the block chance. Both aren't exactly gamebreaking.
Okay if you aren't defense capped, but you should be. Doesn't add a whole ton over 540.
Defense still provides dodge, parry, block and miss chance.
Most importantly though, you underestimate the value of armor.
Warning! Math below
:
Neverending has and extra 527 armor compared to the Bulwark. Let's say you have 30k armor and 50k HP. These are just example values, you can try it with your own stats and find pretty similar results.
%Damage Reduction(DR) = (Armor / (Armor - 22167.5 + 467.5 * Enemy_Level)) * 100.
Your Effective Health (EH = HP / (1-DR)) against a lvl 83 enemy is 140171.
If you were to gain 527 armor this would raise EH by 1584.
If you were to gain 16 stamina (= 202 hp with Sanc and talents) this would raise EH by 567.
Conclusion:
527 armor >> 16 stamina
.
Edited for clarifications and typo correction. Durrr...
Post by
Raleandris
Your shield is pretty much the only slot where you can say, "Is it higher item level? Does it have defense? Yes? Upgrade."
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582040
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Post by
cloudp
It also gives 87 block value which is better than block rating I believe.
Block Value increases the amount blocked, while Rating increase the block chance. Both aren't exactly gamebreaking.
Okay if you aren't defense capped, but you should be. Doesn't add a whole ton over 540.
Defense still provides dodge, parry, block and miss chance.
Most importantly though, you underestimate the value of armor.
Warning! Math below
:
Neverending has and extra 527 armor compared to the Bulwark. Let's say you have 30k armor and 50k HP. These are just example values, you can try it with your own stats and find pretty similar results.
%Damage Reduction(DR) = (Armor / (Armor - 22167.5 + 467.5 * Enemy_Level)) * 100.
Your Effective Health (EH = HP / (1-DR)) against a lvl 83 enemy is 140171.
If you were to gain 527 armor this would raise EH by 1584.
If you were to gain 16 stamina (= 202 hp with Sanc and talents) this would raise EH by 567.
Conclusion:
527 armor >> 16 stamina
.
Edited for clarifications and typo correction. Durrr...
forgot the gem.
46+6(socket bonus)=52.
Case 1(Stamina, base for the comparison)
%Damage Reduction(DR) = (30.000 / (30.000 - 22167.5 + 467.5 * 83)) * 100.
=0,6433
Your Effective Health (EH = 50000 / (1-DR)) against a lvl 83 enemy is 140.174.
Case 2(Armor, values changed)
%Damage Reduction(DR) = (30.527 / (30.527 - 22167.5 + 467.5 * 83)) * 100.
=0,6478
Your Effective Health (EH = 49428 / (1-DR)) against a lvl 83 enemy is 140.340.
Of course, Neverending still wins, but by a much smaller margin. However, this discounts the other stat gains for the comparison.
TL;DR - Neverending wins.
(I forgot there's a twist - the ICC buffs affect Stamina, but not armor directly.)
Post by
260814
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Post by
Kciroj
forgot the gem.
46+6(socket bonus)=52.
No I didn't. The Bulwark provides 16 more stamina, gem included.
Post by
cloudp
forgot the gem.
46+6(socket bonus)=52.
No I didn't. The Bulwark provides 16 more stamina, gem included.
Ah, the item is gemmed. Nevermind. I wasn't aware the wowhead item comparison tool could have the items gemmed.
Post by
Davidson
They used some of the item budget on it's looks (awesome).
Post by
Raleandris
This shield
is easily my favorite of the expansion. Neverending Winter just never really appealed to me.
Post by
hatman555
This shield
is easily my favorite of the expansion. Neverending Winter just never really appealed to me.
Ignoring the fact that its the best shield in the game. I think its got one of the best pictures, which is what I think you are getting at.
Its the first shield that beats my
Royal Crest of Lordaeron
for looks. I still have it in my bank, and its a very close second place now.
Cheers,
Hat
Post by
wintermark
This shield
is easily my favorite of the expansion. Neverending Winter just never really appealed to me.
QFT.
Not from a stat standpoint (its 277, if its itemizes well, it SHOULD defeat all contenders), but it is GORGEOUS.
NE Winter is too dainty looking for my liking. I want a big hunk of scary metal to ward off evildoers
/and my toon's name is Winter as well, so the Neverendning really SHOULD have been awesome for me
Post by
Raleandris
Yes, I was getting at the way the model looked, as opposed to the stats. Crossing my fingers for it to drop this week after we finish bashing our heads against heroic Sindragosa.
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