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Rankkor
You're acting as though all of this is the result of Varian being incompetent, when it isn't.
nope, check what I said, I said that maybe the post-cataclysm ones are indeed due to the defias, but the pre-cataclysm ones aren't.
now here's the nice post where you said otherwise:
Er, did you actually look at the screenshots? The whole "Varian and Stormwind don't care about us" schtick is Defias propaganda that they've been using
since vanilla
.
those 2 underlined words started this.
the coments of stormwind abandoning westfall and it's citizens wasn't defias propaganda back in vainilla, IT WAS REAL, it is propaganda in cataclysm, but you said otherwise :P
So kindly blame Tauren for sidetracking this thread into another "Varian is bad!" rant.
(sighs) I'm so sick of this part :S why-o-why must everyone confuse MY ideas, with TAURENMOO's ideas?
he has a diferent view of the horde and the alliance than I have :S I'm really tired that people automatically treat me as they treat him =( is not fair.
I'm me, and he is he.
Unless, of course, it's the truth. But then again I shouldn't expect you to care about the truth.
is not the truth, u're the one biased enough to see the alliance as an unfaltering perfect force of absolute righteousness and the horde as a complete mass of monstrous villanous idiots.
you are biased, I'm not, why? because you see the flaws on the horde, but REFUSE to see or even admit any flaws on your precious alliance.
I don't do that, I admit the flaws on BOTH sides.
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Orranis
How wrong they are. We will fight them in the fields until the last trench collapses and the last cannon is silenced.
We will fight them on the streets until the last shot is fired. And when there's no more ammunition, we'll crush thier skulls with the stones that pave our city.
We will fight them in the alleys, until our knuckles are skinned and bloody and our rappiers lay in the ground shattered
Forget Shakespeare, this is pure poetry. Its like the Gilneaians are Spartans and the Forsaken are the Persians. Simply epic.
Despite the fact it is stolen from Winston Churchill's "We shall fight on the beaches." Though, I must admit, despite preferring Forsaken to Worgen, it's a hell of a quote.
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Rankkor
pff, you do realize of course that there is an equally epic alliance ass-kicking on the goblin starting zone?
for me this is what I call a win-win situation.
I get to kill forsakens (and smack sylvannas) on the worgen starting zone (I hate forsakens and I hate sylvannas) so , this is a win. plus sylvannas is proven to be a traitor of the horde by disobeying the warchief's orders to not use plage, so that's a double-win for me.
and on the goblin starting zone I get to kick stormwind humans and more alliance forces, another win :P
this is why I'm gonna love the worgen and goblin starting zones, because they are a win-win scenario for me :D
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Joim
I like Sylvanas being evil, it's an interesting twist to the character.
However I hate worgens have such a friggin' cool starting zone and we do not :<
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Post by
Monday
and on the goblin starting zone I get to kick stormwind humans and more alliance forces, another win :P
As long as there aren't any dwarves I'm good with killing all other members of the Alliance =P
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Post by
Rankkor
The worst kind of bias is the one that you don't think exists. You're biased. Want proof? Look no further than your signature. I'm biased too but at least I can admit it.
no I'm not, because I've never denied the flaws of the horde, I've never denied the mistakes of thrall or the orcs, or anything else, I am well aware of the mistakes of the horde (the blight being the biggest one of them) but you absolutely refuse to see any kind of flaw in varian or the rest of the alliance and that makes you biased.
and as for my siganture, I tought I had explained this to you.
First line: "Freedom is taken for granted untill it is taken away from you"
is a old saying that my grandfather said to me before he died, it's due to the political situation of my country were we're on the iron grip of a dictator and a madman.
second line: may our freedom never be broken again, neither by legion, scourge or alliance.
the horde lost it's freedom in the past, due to their own fault, their own mistake, they dug their own grave, and almost perished on it, by sucumbing to the lies of kil'jaeden they became slaves of the legion, by sucumbing to greed and ambition they became slaves of the alliance, by becoming scattered and refugees they almost became slaves of the scourge.
those days of the horde being slaves though are OVER, they broke away from their bindings, and will fight to never again sucumb to nobody else ever again.
Lok'tar Ogar, Warchief Thrall
a simple salute to my favorite character of warcraft, what I'm biased because my favorite is an orc? everyone has a favorite character, just because my favorite is horde doesnt' mean I worship him as an perfect god uncapable of making a single mistake (wich is what you DO with varian)
Third line:Our chains are broken..............
self-explanatory, orcs used to be prisoners, they are not so anymore.
how IN THE NINE CIRCLES OF HELL THAT SIG MAKES ME BIASED?
I disagree. In the Worgen zone you fight and are defeated by a Horde invasion, culminating in smacking around a Horde faction leader.
fixed that for ya. (because they DO lose, the BG battle for gilneas is about trying to take back the lands, and forsaken trying to keep it, much like alterac valley is about stormpikes trying to take the lands from the frostwolves and frostwolves trying to keep it)
In the Goblin zone, you don't have any real reason to fight the Alliance other than the Horde found you first after a naval exchange and said "See? The Alliance is you enemy!"
you don't know that ,no leaks about their starting zone have been given yet, so don't speculate wihtout hard facts.
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Post by
Monday
Rankorr, ignore him.
He's an idiot.
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Monday
Rankorr, ignore him.
He's an idiot.
God forbid I disagree with Funden the internet overlord.
I'm perfectly fine with you debating, but what I don't like is blind arguing. If you look at my debates I debate for the Alliance, however I debate in an intelligent manner. Unlike you, who deliberately closes his eyes to info (Dude Rankorr live sin Venezuela with one of the worst dictators around. he has explained time and again what his sig means, and that it is more personal. How long will it take you to force that through the pile of concrete you call a head? And the Alliance did take away their freedom in the internment camps.)
So seriously, be intelligent or GTFO.
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Malgayne
Edit: Guys, please don't get this thread locked
^ This.
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Rankkor
Rankorr, ignore him.
He's an idiot.
I woudn't had used that word,but yhea, he's biased, and has a severe attitude problem :S
Goblin starting area was playable at Blizzcon. It's literally the Horde saying "It was totally the Alliance that attacked you on purpose. Go kill them."
a figment small little fliker was playable, you don't even know who the hell is leading that atack, why did they atacked the goblin ship, or why are they hostile to goblins or anything at all.
don't make facts out of thin air.
From what we've seen so far
, most of the Forsaken forces are destroyed. Heck, the fact that there's a battleground there suggests they need support from the rest of the Horde simply to maintain their holdings.
underlined the important part, FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR.
let me tell you what we've seen so far: worgens are no longer in gilneas :P that's it, end-o
they flee to darkshore, run away defeated, and then after gathering their strenght come back to gilneas to try and reclaim it.
the fact that it's a battleground is because when the worgen came back, they didn't came back alone, they came back with the rest of the alliance, so DUH, the forsakens would need the rest of the horde to hold the site in place,. but the important line here is that worgens evacuate their homeland, and FLEE, they lose the battle (just not the war)
the entire worgen starting zone is basically "Fight worgens+fight forsaken+run from the forsaken+evacuate gilneas" Ze-end.
what happens later isn't part of their starting zone, :P
And btw, anyone who thinks Varian is betraying Westfall and having citizens murdered... thats a load of bull.
on this darkton, we agree (and that's rare o_O) I have my reasons to dislike varian, but I've never seen him "on purpuse" be mean to his people.
the first time he did abandoned them, and they had to restort to an improvised militia, but after his return he set stuff straight, so it's a clear "duh" that the post-cataclysm complaints are simple defias propaganda.
BTW: when did vancleef had a daughter? o_O
Aww, the Defias killed Old Blanchy. Thats pretty low.
dude, even when I'm a huge horde fan I still feel bad about blanchy :S I liked that poor old horse, and will definitly make a new alliance alt to make those frikking defias pay, it sucks that they had to put down that horse who has been arround wow in all 3 expacs (in westfall on vainilla, old hillsbrad in TBC, and grizzly hills on WOTLK)
seeing blanchy go away is like a punch in the crotch.
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