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Does kitty ever get any AoEs?
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please don't be so arrogant as to pretend you can read my mind. Hard not to when you bare it for all to see, lol.
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Joim
Yeah I agree, I would've stated otherwise in my first post if I knew berserk cancelled the buff. All buffs, even small, are still buffs, but obviously you'll care much more of some big buffs than other that you have often.
Given all the facts is obvious TF should be used after berserk.
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neiljwd
What about the fact that energy is our number one damage buff, more so than 80 damage from TF?
As opening rotation after FF we could Mangle, get our 2 cp, and SR, leaving us us at 30ish energy, wait 4 seconds, then pop zerk, rake, shred shred for 15 seconds... then TF.
To me this is 19-20 seconds losts energy/dps as we have another 30 seconds b4 TF is up, if we'd pooped TF earlier, for instance :
We'd mangle, SR, then TF, Berzerk then rake, shred shred rip etc. By the time you've finished zerking, TF will be up in around 13 seconds, so u get 60 DPS back earlier, and we don't NEED the energy after Berserk, so can wait for it to pool as most of our timers will have been refreshed to a high time at the end of berzerk. I also find this 13 or so second wait generally makes TF ready to buff the refresh of SR/rip that were put up with ample times during Berserk.
Basically, the sooner we TF, the sooner we can TF again, and that 60 energy has got to be way more valuable than the damage buff from TF, in addition we can get rake of earlier, so it's ticking away.
Obviously, after the initial phase, then avoid popping TF before Berserk, as it is a dps loss.
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Lightrain
OK......
So hopefully you guys stop arguing in circles.....
You CAN use TF before Berserk
IF
you make sure to use up the damage buff before pooling energy and popping Berserk.
There's nothing wrong with that.
You CAN use TF after Berserk and not have to worry about the damage buff.
Because TF is such a short CD, and berserk is such a long CD, it wouldn't be a terrible idea to open as FFF>Mangle>SR>Rake>shred spam to 3cp>TF>Shred to 5cp>Rip>shred spam till buff's up>pool energy>berserk>more shred spam>refresh Rake>normal DPS for a couple seconds>TF.(assuming FFF and mangle beotch).
Similarly, you can FFF>mangle>Rake>SR>pool>berserk>etc etc>TF when it lights up.
I see a slight bonus to the first with using TF before berserk and using berserk to refresh SR and get a FB in since you get the buff to Rip.
I'm not sure about some things tho.
If my SR falls off, and I rip instead, then get SR up, doesn't the existing rip increase with SR?(I always assumed, never payed attention.... However, my dps is on par with 5900 gs ferals in my 5500 gs, so either they fail or I'm just 1337) I'm pretty sure it does.
However, I'm also pretty sure that a buff to the damage like TF will stick to whatever you put up with it active, and won't apply itself mid duration like SR will.
Yes, this seems somewhat counter intuitive(unless you actually think about it), but little things like this are what seperate the 7-10k dps ferals from the 3-4k dps ferals.
I can bet you that if you alter your rotation a bit with this new knowledge, your dps will go up, possible 100-300, possibly more, and be more consistent.
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Kibbles
Why is this still going?
Tiger's Fury can be used before Beserk, but not while Beserk is up.
Kittys get one sort-of AoE, Swipe. Now stop bumping this, it doesn't deserve front page.
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Lightrain
Why is this still going?
Tiger's Fury can be used before Beserk, but not while Beserk is up.
Kittys get one sort-of AoE, Swipe. Now stop bumping this, it doesn't deserve front page.
You missed the point. Foley is trying to give GOOD CONSTRUCTIVE advice for a change, and you are ignoring it.
Also, this is a small niche that most people don't realize/know(myself included), so we are making the feral community of wowhead better.
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ioptzu
In a real raid encounter is there any point thinking about such minor thing. It undoubtly improves your dps but it also makes a complex thing even more complex with very little gain.
I bet for most cats it does make no difference and it is enough to handle the normal rotation and paying attention to the encounter mechanics.
To get further with the napkinmath above assuming a 6 minute fight, gets you 5 TF so thats 5 x 2500 = 12,500 additional dmg in 6 minutes or 360s which translate into ~35dps extra. Given an advanced gear. Imho there is really no point about this in practice.
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Lightrain
My god man.. You are so wrong. It literaly hurts my head thinking about it. There is so much missinformation in your post that I don't even know where to begin. Have you not read anything iv been telling you? The worst part is, people are reading it and actually believe you.
I'm at work right now posting this on my iPhone, So I can't honestly take the time to correct that massive wall of crap you call math.
Anyone reading it should completely ignore all of it. Not only is it wrong. It's damaging to the feral commumity who actualy came here for help. Poor optzu doesn't have a clue now, and its all your fault.
I have to agree with this. TF does a lot more when timed right.
Just after the knowledge of TF's damage buff being removed by Berserk, I plan on trying to time TF with bleed applications.
Just SMALL, simple application math.
Rip
- Base damage, 501+TF gives it a near 16% increase in BASE damage.
Rake
- Base damage, 1074+TF gives a 7.5% increase in BASE damage.
Just to give you an idea on 2 abilities. I'm no expert on the math theory behind all the wow nonsense, but that's a pretty big buff considering rip lasts more than half the CD of TF and rake lasts 1/3 of it.
What does this mean? Well, you can save TF for every other Rip application and increase your Rip's BASE damage by 16%(8% overall + crit variable). Rip is what, 20-30% of your overall dps(pulling numbers outa my azz, I haven't raided in a while)? That's a 2.4% increase(assuming 30% overall damage) on your dps. 170 dps if you do 7k without using TF properly JUST FROM USING IT EVERY OTHER TIME YOU RE-APPLY RIP!
That's solely based on base damage, I'm pretty sure with everything else(raid buffs, talents, debuffs, etc) it could easily be more.
If you're still wondering why we are pounding this into your little brain, it's because the BASE DAMAGE BUFF is what shines about TF, not the free 60 energy(that helps too tho).
Anyone who knows the math behind all this is welcome to correct me either way. Just based on the fact that TF buffs base damage alone tells me and foley way more than what you guys are getting out of it.
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