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Bearclaws
Healing and Balance - There is a lot of resto/balance leather, many groups won't even give a druid cloth because they can wear leather.
Not letting a Druid wear cloth because he can wear leather is like not letting your dog drink water because he can eat dog food.
not saying i agree with it, telling it how it is. I've been denied upgrades because of this
The point is that Druids got 2 alternatives of gear compared to other casters/healers only able to wear cloth. Meaning there are a bigger chance that the Druid would get upgrades than his fellow healer/DPS mates. Being nice and letting your friend have 1st priority on the cloth means you both have equal chance of gear... Well, thats not all true, there will be situasions where your friend already got that cloth upgrade and you can have it.
Just because you got the
posibility
to be a meanie and say "sqrew you, it's all mine!" -leaving your friend behind in the dirt while laughing at his 99 roll when you rolled 100 on a cloth piece, doesnt mean that you
have
to use that option of behavior.
Take care of your fellow wow'ers.
Same goes for Holy Paladins and Shamans.
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curlymon
With the direction that mastery is headed in addition to the spirit conversion to hit, leather vs cloth will be an almost non existent issue as even suboptimal leather piece will be strong then same level cloth nearly across the board. It does not fix the here and now but it is a light at the end of the tunnel at the least.
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Bearclaws
The point is that Druids got 2 alternatives of gear compared to other casters/healers only able to wear cloth. Meaning there are a bigger chance that the Druid would get upgrades than his fellow healer/DPS mates.
This is the fundamental problem with the gearing issue: people just assume that because you can wear it and its a higher ilvl than what you're wearing, it must be an upgrade. This is absolutely not the case! For instance, a Boomkin rollling on haste/crit/hit cloth is perfectly fine, but the same Boomkin rolling on spirit+ haste/crit gear is not. Similarly, a tree rolling on spirit/mp5 + haste cloth is perfectly fine, where as they shouldnt be rolling on the same gear as the Boomkin.
The average WoW player doesn't look into stats or available drops enough to realise that that piece of cloth they thought was an upgrade that they just lost to a Druid, is actually not as good for them as the piece that could've dropped that said Druid has absolutely no use for!
At a risk of sounding incredibly elitist (which I'm sure someone will accuse me of being) the greatest issue with the cloth/leather gearing problem is that the WoW community is ignorant of other classes mechanics in general. (and quite often of their own too) If the average player realised that not all clothies want all cloth and that Druids don't want all leather, they might take a different view point over who rolls on what instead of constantly winging that "the nasty Druid stole my cloth!"
I absolutely agree with you on this m8. Same with me; I know what stats I need, I know how to balance both my Boomkin and Bear. I read a lot and try a lot of different things. For some that might be elitis like you're saying, but I think one should really know their toon good enough to know what gear to pick when entering a raid. Sadly, I think you are right, there are far too many that don't bother to learn their toon. Thats ok... more or less, it's how they decide to play the game. Although it kind of frustrates people putting an effort in learning their toon(s), when they head into end game contet.
Taking this into count. My point was that when a cloth item drops that got just the right stats for both the clothie aaand the Druid. The clothie wont be able to roll on the leather item that dropps on the next boss who had more or less identical stats, but meant for a nice Druid not taking cloth from a cloth wearer. In the end, its only a purple pixel and your team get stronger neverless ;) (I'm only thinking on guild runs now, not pugs, I don't like pugs. I rather have a
Golden Retriver
).
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Bearclaws
With the direction that mastery is headed in addition to the spirit conversion to hit, leather vs cloth will be an almost non existent issue as even suboptimal leather piece will be strong then same level cloth nearly across the board. It does not fix the here and now but it is a light at the end of the tunnel at the least.
Mmm... IS this a good thing? It's good for us Druids, more gear to choose from, but I rather put leather than cloth on... or is that just me? I would have liked it better if they went the oposite way, telling us to wear leather *must resist obviouse joke*. On the other side, I like the mastery idea... shoot, we are already deeply hated by Rogues (who like Rogues anyway, backstabbers), why not be sure to get hated by cloth wearers too c",)
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MegaVolt
If the average player realised that not all clothies want all cloth and that Druids don't want all leather, they might take a different view point over who rolls on what instead of constantly winging that "the nasty Druid stole my cloth!"
It's quite simple:
If a clothy and a Druid both need a cloth piece then the clothy should have priority. The only exception is if it's the BiS for the Druid and the Druid has announced that before the raid, in that case I'd give them the same priority.
Now whether the clothy really needs the cloth piece or not is a different problem. Assuming a DKP system it's his problem (wasting DKP on downgrades will hurt him), with a loot council I'd expect the council to know about classes well enough to see if that clothy really needs the piece or not.
On topic:
Bears use Rogue leather and the bear talents turn those DPS stats into awesome tank stats.
There also is caster leather which balance and resto Druids use. The caster leather is usually quite well itemized and there is rarely a reason to use cloth pieces. The only tasty cloth I have come across as resto Druid so far is the chest but usually there is no competition in that roll since all cloth classes want their set chest anyway. Resto Druids are (afaik) the only class/spec that wants the chest as off set item.
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Mmm... IS this a good thing? It's good for us Druids, more gear to choose from, but I rather put leather than cloth on... or is that just me? I would have liked it better if they went the oposite way, telling us to wear leather *must resist obviouse joke*. On the other side, I like the mastery idea... shoot, we are already deeply hated by Rogues (who like Rogues anyway, backstabbers), why not be sure to get hated by cloth wearers too c",)
I'm not sure I really understand what you're saying, but...
Curly is talking about the fact that in cataclysm wearing the "right" armor for your class (so Leather for Druids) will give a mastery bonus, probably making leather the better armor in almost all cases, even if it's not ideally statted.
In addition to reforging allowing us tweak initially suboptimal gear into something worthwhile.
Imagine a leather piece with Stam/Agi/Crit/Haste... we could change this item from a kitty/bear piece into a caster piece just by changing the Agi into Int :P This significantly increase out options even if we feel shoehorned into the "leather corner".
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