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kemikalkadet
Wear worse gear or /sit briefly to take a few crits. Warriors have always suffered rage starvation when they overgear content.
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good ol zakk, always full of good advice with an angry tone. =D
Understandable since at least 1000 of your posts are helping others just like this. Only thing I have to add is that if you are indeed holding aggro but still have rage problems, you pull more like zakk said, during the tail end of your current fight. At this point in the expansion cycle, you can pretty much charge the next pack when your current is at 30% or so, depending on your own threat level, the dps can handle it.
The easiest way to accomplish this is to stop looting, that time standing around is probably wasting the most rage. Once you get comfortable enough, you can start looting in combat. People say that warriors get rage starved at higher gear levels, but that is only true if you pull at the same pace, better gear = bigger/faster pulls. You wont really run into issues until your dps can down a group faster than 15 seconds (cooldown on charge), but at that point, you dont even really need to tank =D
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You can also taunt critters, keeping you in combat and removing rage decay for a while.
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Porcell
Never gem for STR in tank gear. Gem expertise/sta if you want threat/dps. Gem dodge/sta if you want avoidance.
Wrong. If you are already at Expertise cap of 24 for heroics anything above that is wasted, so go strength gems in red sockets instead. That'll boost your DPS which boosts both threat and rage gen. You don't want to gem avoidance for heroics.
Mmm, how did I miss this thread. Must have gotten lost in all of the STR/ArP threads recently.
A tank should never gem Strength into tank gear. If you want to boost your threat in heroics, fine, but do it by swapping in a DPS piece, not by "ruining" your tanking gear by gemming incorrectly. At most you'll have maybe 4 or 5 hybrid gems in your tanking gear, which is hardly enough to boost your avoidance enough to cause rage starvation.
In this and many cases, threat / rage starvation is a performance issue, not a gearing issue. Queue cleave a little less, float rage between pulls, don't over-tank mobs, and pull faster. Switching from +40 expertise worth of gems to +40 dodge worth of gems (and vise verse) alone will not fix threat/rage issues.
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A tank should never gem Strength into tank gear.
I agree a tank should certainly not do that in their progression/raiding/best-in-slot tank gear. I never said they should. I assumed we were talking about a heroics tank-set since the OP was about losing rage in HEROICS.
So here's something that has always bothered me:
What do you do with an old tank piece that you replaced with something better?
Perhaps
(bolded for emphasis) the piece can find use in a DPS-oriented tanking set for heroics or soloing old content?
Sure, DPS pieces of similar "ilvl" are going to provide better DPS stats. Obviously. But we can only replace so many tank pieces before we run into the risk of becoming crittable. So, why not throw some DPS gems and 'chants on an old "lower tier" tank piece (or two) that you weren't using anymore anyway? Is this ruining the gear - or is it extending it's useful life? Hello?
We've had this discussion before. When you start dropping item levels, you are innately dropping Strength, Stamina, Armor, and everything else. You are not going to be able to make up that difference by slapping a +20 strength gem in a couple sockets and calling that good. I'll do WAY more damage and threat in my full 264 armor/stamina stacked raid gear than I would in 245 item level gear that's gemmed for strength.
I guess bottomline is that a tank should gear for survival first and foremost, but when you start outgearing the content you should focus on doing more damage. How you get to a state of "doing more damage" is determined by what gear you have available to you. DPS pieces - definitely look there first. One or two "idle" tank pieces with DPS gems so you don't drop below crit immunity? Why the hell not? Swoosh.
A couple gems won't make a lower tier item "good." If you are expertise capped and uncrittable, then go ahead and swap in a DPS piece, but gemming strength in an old piece isn't the right answer.
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You guys still aren't getting it. Most of the 264+ tank pieces are loaded with avoidance which is best to minimize when you out-gear content. Getting hit more is the best source of rage gen. I don't need to tell you guys this... or do I? All the other methods at our disposal (avoiding rage decay by staying in combat, mainly) are just little "extras".
Oh no, we get it. We are just taking issue with your suggestion to use lowgrade tank gear with DPS gems and enchants.
There are two situations here, which keep getting crossed.
1) Lower geared tank having rage/threat issues (OP)
2) Highly geared tank having rage/threat issues
The OP is a "lower" geared tank with a 5k gearscore. From what I'm guessing, he's having technique issues, not gear issues. He needs to maintain threat on all of his mobs (which I think he's not doing from his "Too less aggro built?" comment). Learning not to overtank his mobs (ie don't focus 100k threat into one mob when 50k will do) and to float rage between pulls (ie if a mob is about to die and you have solid threat, don't shield slam and save that rage for the next pull), will go a long way to fixing his rage issues.
For number 2, I can speak from experience. I run heroics in my full raid gear. 19 expertise, 227 hit, 31.3k armor, 63% avoidance + 14% block, 4800 attack power, 49k health. No rage issues, charge from pack to pack, hold everything, never in fear of dying. For highly geared tanks, you can either switch in DPS gear, or pull more. I prefer to pull more. The damage you gain from DPS gear is counteracted by the reduction in survivability and the lower number of mobs you can tank at once.
Overgearing heroics is kind of a myth these days. In TBC it was a real issue, but honestly, it's not these days of T9 and T10 gearing. If a tank is in full T10 and whines about having trouble tanking heroics, he's not a good tank, plain and simple.
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