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Astygia
It takes teamwork to win a BG, so one person that's hideously good at arena will not win it his or herself no matter what their arena rating. Killing blows don't carry flags, cap nodes, or hold/burn towers after all.
However, folks that are successful in arena are often worth more than their weight in the organized chaos that is BGs, since most folks in a bg just tend to start firing/swinging at the first red thing they see while the arena goers have already decided who to shut down, who to screw with, who to keep busy, and who to kill, and are doing it yesterday. So one affliction warlock can in fact recap and hold the blacksmith all by himself against 5 allies, kill them all, and feel great about freeing up more horde to go snag something else.
Mostly it's just that arena is a very cruel teacher in terms of situational awareness and reaction time; once you've spent a lot of time doing it, BGs feel kinda tame by comparison, as do most of the folks in there.
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camy009
Being an arena fanatic, I have to call you wrong...
You will see many arena players only killing for a good reason... It's the only pleasure we get out of the mind numbing boredom that is BGs... BGs are simple: Cap flags, break walls, kill flag carriers, etc. Half the time I find myself ghostwolf attacking people just for the laugh.
You can see why we easily hate them. Unfortunately, honor is required for offsets... So enjoy us globaling you guys!
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goshadstep2lose
From what i've seen, the arena players automatically assume that since they're good at arena their automatically good at bg's. a player that plays competitively in arenas is much more likely to be competitive in BGs than a player who isnt, sorry PvP is still PvP, while the dynamics change if you excel at one you will generally be able to excel at the other
Bg's are arenas are two completely different things the only thing they share in common is your against the opposing faction. and LoSing, and globaling, and kiting, and CC, and getting out of combat for whatever purpose (see: mana, CC), and teamwork, and pretty much every other general aspect of PvP that you failed to mention
I've met many arena players who fail miserably. 1900+ players who think that Killing Blows win a battleground. anecdotal evidence is anecdotal
also: KBs do help win BGs
Winning a battleground takes strategy, not just the skill to be able to faceroll other players. yes, because we all know arena strategy is unheard of!
kindly grief on the official forums, wowhead isn't the place for it
I'm not biased towards either side oyadood! you're totally
not
biased
gotcha
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goshadstep2lose
your post is clearly biased
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goshadstep2lose
You're missing the point, Gosh. Twink is not saying that ALL arena players sucks in BGs neither he is saying that BG players are ALL worst than arena players. He merely states that you cannot assume that a very good arena player will be just as good in BGs. no all he did was grief about how he sees many arena players who are terrible at bgs (citation still needed) and deliberately gives no evidence to the contrary as an unbiased poster would.
and as I stated in response, yea, its pretty safe to assume if a player does well in arenas they will do well in BGs
the whole argument that BGs =/= arenas is arbitrary anyway
by the same logic BGs =/= BGs
the difference between an arena and WSG is much smaller than the difference between WSG and, say, AV
they may be different breeds, but its all PvP
Obviously, part of the skill set of arena fights translates into a more effective BG play style (the part about killing other player). But BG requires a knowledge/understanding of BGs strategies that some arena player lack and therefore fail to contribute to the success of the BG raid as much as they could. Unlikely, since, as of now with the absence of rated BGs, the strategy to win an arena match is alot more intricate than one to win your basic BG. If a player has the understanding and situational awareness to succeed in arenas, they have it to succeed in BGs.
You can kill a zillion players in a BG but if you never go fetch that flag, you still end up losing the game.
well if you're gettting a zillion kbs one of your other 9 team members can run the flag while the majority of the opposing team are waiting in the GY to be killed by you again
sorry, KBs help win BGs just as much as anything else, flag running isn't the only role in WSG/EotS and last i checked only one could be run at a time
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goshadstep2lose
reading comments like these:ehm and Arena is about killing pretty much just 1 of the enemy team and many of them already give up after that atleast in bg you will sometimes be forced to work seriously hard if you face a good premade.make me seriously doubt claims like these:
been to almost 2300
As late as 5 min ago I had a random bg versus 3 wrathfull geared healers and a crappy one on the alliance side and we had a crappy healing priest along with a good druid.. Yet we smashed them with a 3/0 the first capture took like 15 min
also: show me a SS of that BGs scoreboard and I will point out the ~7 opposing players that lost the game for their team and the ~7 players that won it for you
or just point out how the healers afked out 15 mins into the game
seewutididthur?
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StrangerWifCandy
A bit off topic, but I believe there's a discrepancy in both sides' definition of good arena players. On celestior/shade's side I believe they have 2500+ players in mind, and on the other, they're thinking of anyone above 1800.
So let's clarify on the subject and say that we're not talking about the !@#$ players that clutter all the ratings sub 2300.
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Lightcloud
Im not sure brah, when I kill 5 players on the enemy side every min or so making them unable to assist their team in the bg, Im sure im helping alot while dong lots of dmg and kbs.
I barely partake in the actual objective of the bg, except when i kill them at their flag and cap it, and I seem to win most tof the time, I say I'm doing my part.
bgs take skill?
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Uricidea
Im not sure brah, when I kill 5 players on the enemy side every min or so making them unable to assist their team in the bg, Im sure im helping alot while dong lots of dmg and kbs.
I barely partake in the actual objective of the bg, except when i kill them at their flag and cap it, and I seem to win most tof the time, I say I'm doing my part.
bgs take skill?
This pretty nicely sums up the Op's point. Thanks for making it so obvious. When you are mashing the inexperienced the real players are taking objectives away from you. Kill 'em all, they don't know why they're fighting anyway.
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