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Post by
Kibbles
This IS a prot leveling guide not a ret tanking guide or a ret&prot tanking guide. And as said earlier, I do not want to post something I don't have data on.
Post by
Squishalot
This IS a prot leveling guide not a ret tanking guide or a ret&prot tanking guide. And as said earlier, I do not want to post something I don't have data on.
I think the point is that a prot levelling guide is meaningless if you're better off Ret tanking to level.
At level 34 you get Divine Shield, or 'bubble', which is your new ohsh*t button that you should never use unless you know that your group is already dead or that you just want to get out, or give the healer time to catch up. This will redirect all of the mobs to the person of next highest threat, namely the DPS.
You should never be Divine Shield'ing in a dungeon. You should be anticipating the damage and using Divine Protection, which will be plenty of time for your healer to catch up.
Post by
slasher0161
Hmm I wonder which way I would go...
You missed Prot's 10% extra damage across all abilities.
Sorry squish the spec did contain it if anyone clicked the link but I must have skipped over it when posting up the links. Either way the point stands that going pure prot for leveling is just tieing a lead ball to your foot and expecting people to applaud you for swimming 50m, yes great you did it and you know what... there was a better way.
When people look to guides you know what they look for, i'll give you a hint its not how to scratch their manhood, drink and beer and keyboard turn while talking on a phone, its the most effective way to do something. If that something happens to be leveling why present a "guide" (full of opinion at best) that tells them the hard way to do it?
Either clean this "guide" the hell up or we will keep on telling you to take your 'work' elsewhere
Post by
asakawa
as i said early on in the thread, this guy's an epic troll. he's starting to follow the same pattern from other threads (most notably on the lock forums) where he continues to reiterate failed ideas no matter how much evidence is presented to the contrary.
i'm not really sure how he gets enjoyment from this behaviour but he seems to.
for my own part, i've now levelled a pally from around level 25 to a 5.3k gs during this thread's life and the more i have learned about the class, the more i see the info in the OP fails. the word "guide" on the first page of a forum immediately makes something look like it contains useful info. since this does not there is quite a danger of unsuspecting wowhead members going away with some very suspect ideas about the class. i suggest a lock.
Post by
Kibbles
Actually, present the data to me and I will write it. I have not levelled a ret from 15-50 using the LFD system as tank, so I do not know how it is different.
Askawa is also showing his (her?) traditional form, as a meta'd demo lock who can level fast and seems to know what he(she?) is talking about and yet never seems able to post anything constructive.
Post by
asakawa
addressing your first comment, in the thread's intro you said:
There has never been a better time to go protection. With the new LFD system in 3.3, tanks have instant queues, allowing them to do back to back dungeons. I will not tell you any illusions, tanking is hard and boring work sometimes. But in my opinion it is the fastest way to get to 80. Protection will have you bored sometimes- this is when you will work on your professions and take a break from dungeons for a short time. Be sure to log out in a city for extra XP and so that you can train or repair easily. I want you to know that am not just looking at the spells, and have actually used this guide to level a protection paladin to currently level 59. I will update it as he levels.
you've suggested that your experiences are worth people reading because you believe them to represent the fastest way to level a paladin. now you accept that your experiences don't cover the fastest or most efficient way to level a paladin which leaves the question of why does this thread exist?
as for your other (very odd) comment, who says my lock plays demo? how is that relevant? and if the warlock FAQ i constantly maintain doesn't represent something constructive then i'm really not sure what does.
Post by
Squishalot
Hmm I wonder which way I would go...
You missed Prot's 10% extra damage across all abilities.
Sorry squish the spec did contain it if anyone clicked the link but I must have skipped over it when posting up the links. Either way the point stands that going pure prot for leveling is just tieing a lead ball to your foot and expecting people to applaud you for swimming 50m, yes great you did it and you know what... there was a better way.
I know it included it, just that you forgot to bring it up. With the crit that Paladins have at that low level, Vengeance isn't that great a talent, especially with less abilities to proc it.
I'm personally of the opinion that Prot is a better dungeon levelling build at 40+ than Ret is, if only because you you've got a greater ability to take on the really big pulls. Holy Shield, with enough mobs, is extremely good TPS, and generally good mitigation, plus BoS, the extra stam and Ardent Defender for when things screw up. Ret will plow through 3-pulls faster, Prot will survive through 10-pulls for the party's AoE to have best effect.
Post by
woohaa
when i hit 40 i'm gonna test the efficiency of the two builds. with enough mobs on you BoSanc could generate enough mana to spam consecrate and judgements and holy shield should make up the loss of Seal of cleave. although i think that holy shield doesn't becomes as effective till you get redoubt. as it stands 20-39 is easier using SoC and the glyph. I don't get to play my paly too often atm but hopefully this weekend i'll be able to grind him from 30-40.
Don't know about you guys but i'm looking for the most efficient build and not something i can get by with. what's gonna put out a good amount of threat, mitigate a good amount of dmg, and also keep my mana up to the point i rarely have to drink.
Post by
pezz
Don't know about you guys but i'm looking for the most efficient build and not something i can get by with. what's gonna put out a good amount of threat, mitigate a good amount of dmg, and also keep my mana up to the point i rarely have to drink.
Ret. Until probably forty or fifty.
Post by
Kibbles
when i hit 40 i'm gonna test the efficiency of the two builds. with enough mobs on you BoSanc could generate enough mana to spam consecrate and judgements and holy shield should make up the loss of Seal of cleave. although i think that holy shield doesn't becomes as effective till you get redoubt. as it stands 20-39 is easier using SoC and the glyph. I don't get to play my paly too often atm but hopefully this weekend i'll be able to grind him from 30-40.
Don't know about you guys but i'm looking for the most efficient build and not something i can get by with. what's gonna put out a good amount of threat, mitigate a good amount of dmg, and also keep my mana up to the point i rarely have to drink.
Let me know about the results of that.
Ret might be better than prot, but the fact still is that with today's (lame) healers and DPS, it is much better to have migitation for the larger pulls. I mean who cares if you can burn them down faster if you wipe in 10 seconds? Corpserunning might be better or worse per instance, but I do NOT want to have to run back to RFK because of a bad spec. With my current spec I can gather 7-10 mobs in a group and burn them all down with basic AoE.
Post by
unafragger
Just as an FYI, I'm a new tankadin (27) and was looking for a viable prot build. I have read other threads and so I did realize that that Ret > Prot -- I plan on staying Ret until 40 when holy shield becomes available.
If anyone's still reading this, or still finding it, the information presented is not correct. I wouldn't have an issue with a Prot leveling guide if it presented appropriate information, as leveling as Prot IS very viable if that's what you want to do.
Not all of us have the gold to respec often and would like to keep with our spec once we've started it. However, the incorrect information could lead many people to becoming fail tanks.
"By now you should be in dungeons" at level 14? LFG doesn't become available until 15.
Should mention pulling with HoR at 16. It's an excellent pull spell for initial threat
I personally think that telling a tank to FoL during combat is a bad idea, there are better methods.. LoH, Divine Prot.. but, if healing yourself floats your boat, go for it. The issue is that you take substantially MORE damage while trying to heal yourself.
Exorcism during combat = bad. It's especially bad if you have more than 1 mob beating on you. Maybe less bad if you're fighting a single target in the lower lvl ranges.
You mention Divine Shield and "give the healer time to catch up" in the same sentence. Bad call. As a main healer, when a pally uses DS, everyone ELSE starts taking damage and needing to be healed.. ME if no one else is AOEing, and that is absolutely NOT a way to "Catch up".
I find using Judgement of Wisdom keeps my mana pretty full, so it's my primary judgement when leveling. This one is solely opinion.
Seal of Justice? Really? I guess this COULD be a matter of opinion, but how does that help with anything at lower lvls? The other seals provide more damage (holy damage) and thus more threat. SoJ is PvP
(It pained me to even read up to the lvl 40 section) Holy Shield -- Only when you're tanking 3 or more mobs? Why on earth would you not want a 30% higher block percentage at ALL TIMES? Holy shield should never be NOT on you. If you're fighting a boss, that 30% block is a 30% less of a chance you'll take a crit or a crushing blow, which is a huge boost in mitigation. Your guide is all about "mitigation" and you don't push for HS at all times. I honestly didn't read beyond this.
So anyway, yeah, if you want to make a Prot guide, go for it, but this should be wiped clean and written from the ground up. I didn't even look at your specs either, I figured that the advice was so poor that the specs probably were too.
Sorry, you have a good idea to write the guide, but it was just executed poorly.
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