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Post by
FarseerLolotea
Farseer, Monjaru is either an easily aggravated idiot with no idea how to admit he's wrong and conduct a professional argument or just a troll that feigns stupidity to @#$% everyone off. The point is, arguing with him is just a precious waste of good patience.Oh, I see...he's Delmarus with slightly better typing skills. I was beginning to suspect as much when he got into the personal attacks.
Now, I'm slightly ashamed at having fed him more than once.
Post by
molly2k
The only reason I could see as to why draenei wouldn't get rogues would be that they (like tauren) have hooves, and not their size. Neither would warlocks have made much sense due to their connection to demons and shadow.
Druids however, probably would've been a plausible addition as draenei still has some connection to nature through shamans.
But then again, I'm not that well read when it comes to lore, and the only new class/race combo I really care for at the moment is troll druids.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
The only reason I could see as to why draenei wouldn't get rogues would be that they (like tauren) have hooves, and not their size.Hooves can be muffled. However, some cultural justification would have to be formulated. Neither would warlocks have made much sense due to their connection to demons and shadow.Agreed on that count.
Druids however, probably would've been a plausible addition as draenei still has some connection to nature through shamans.I'm still hoping that gets added in some later xpack. (One step closer to making my WoW.) However, the shaman thing is only valid in terms of it being a form of syncretism.
But then again, I'm not that well read when it comes to lore, and the only new class/race combo I really care for at the moment is troll druids.I'm liking tauren paladins, as well. (I will never play a blood elf again.)
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Post by
Adamsm
Farseer, Monjaru is either an easily aggravated idiot with no idea how to admit he's wrong and conduct a professional argument or just a troll that feigns stupidity to @#$% everyone off. The point is, arguing with him is just a precious waste of good patience.Oh, I see...he's Delmarus with slightly better typing skills. I was beginning to suspect as much when he got into the personal attacks.
Now, I'm slightly ashamed at having fed him more than once.
Pretty much; he attempted to pick a fight with me in another thread as well because of my 'trollish' response to the OP lol.
Post by
Monday
Hooves can be muffled. However, some cultural justification would have to be formulated.
But hooves can't climb walls as well as feet can.
At least that is what I'm thinking. Hooves just aren't as dexterous as feet, and rogues thrive on dexterity.
Pretty much; he attempted to pick a fight with me in another thread as well because of my 'trollish' response to the OP lol.
I remember that one...
Post by
mixter
and thats a draw back considering worgen and forsaken both have the same culture base in humanity the only differance is worgen retain the entire class list and forsaken loss paladin on count of the fact paladins are centric on the light theres no spirit or shadow sub element , thus a forsaken paladin would try to cast judgment and explode in flames.The claim I've heard is that worgen can't be paladins because they're cursed.
I've replied, more than once, that druids and magi can dispel curses. Paladins can't. If anything, it's more likely that Gilneas simply never had its own order.
Or any members of the Silver Hand that were of Gilnean base, didn't go behind the wall after the Second War.
Yea lets look at it that way farseer
i can ress people so why can't i ress Uther the lightbringer?
game mechanics /=/ lore
Post by
Adamsm
Hooves can be muffled. However, some cultural justification would have to be formulated.
But hooves can't climb walls as well as feet can. Yeah, but when your built like a male Draenei, you can probably just pull yourself up by your arms alone heh; and those Broken rogues in Outland don't seem to have a problem with it.
Post by
576048
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Post by
Monjaru
That will already be true of tauren.
Tauren don't have priests.
Definitely didn't notice they were giving Tauren both Priests and Pallies in Cata. Oops.
Ah, yes,
this
time-honored tactic: When caught without a counter-argument, compare your opponent to a petulant little kid. Kiss your credibility goodbye. :) My credibility is removed because I simplified your argument? How does
that
work?
It's obvious that the post-by-post back-and-forth we were doing wasn't going anywhere fast, so I made a perfectly legitimate example to bring the argument down. Instead of admitting you're wrong, you brought us right back to where we were before... going nowhere.
Also, your analogy is not only insulting but inaccurate. If you absolutely
must
be condescending and compare people to children who didn't get toys? It's more like buying toys for all of the kid's
siblings
in
front
of him, then telling him that
he
doesn't get a toy "just because." Insulting, but it's hardly inaccurate. Your example is just as accurate, but involves extremizing the situation to evoke sympathy for your own cause. Mine handles the situation without favoring one side or the other.
That is why I used the example I used and not the one you brought up.
Wrong on both counts.
First of all: if you
weren't
trying to justify it, you'd have quit before you had to resort to
ad hominem
attacks. First of all: way to completely misuse the phrase "ad hominem" (I suppose you thought it made you look intelligent, or something along those lines.)
Second of all, if you want to get into ad hominem,
When caught without a counter-argument, compare your opponent to a petulant little kid. Kiss your credibility goodbye. :) This right here is a prime example of a fallacious ad hominem argument.
When that little boy complains to his mom that he didn't get a new toy he wanted when his friend's mom got them one, we call them a selfish, little brat. Wait...
what
? You'd actually call a kid a "selfish little brat" just for
asking for a toy
? I sincerely hope that you are
not
a parent. Once again, you fail to read the fine print. I never said I'd call them a "selfish, little brat" for
asking
for a toy; I would call them one for
complaining
that they didn't
get
said toy. It is for
that
reason that my example perfectly describes your current behavior.
You aren't
asking
Blizzard if they could give the draenei a new class; you're
complaining
that they aren't planning on it at the moment.
(In any case, nothing is even finalized yet; all the more reason your argument has very little sway here; you may get your new class anyway, when all is said and done)
In other words...
more
name-calling, because you
still
have no real argument. It's called referencing my example.
And I've already given multiple reasons why you have no real argument either. So, in essence, even if I don't have an argument, it's only because you never gave me one to work with in the first place.
Just give up already. You blew it. That's what
she
told you.
Farseer, Monjaru is either an easily aggravated idiot with no idea how to admit he's wrong and conduct a professional argument or just a troll that feigns stupidity to @#$% everyone off. The point is, arguing with him is just a precious waste of good patience. Now, I'll admit it, when I was talking to you, I absolutely
was
trolling. It's just the darndest thing to see you try to debate and fail.
Oh, and congrats on creating yet another ad hominem.
I claim that someone is wrong.
You think there is something objectionable about me (because you're upset that I trolled the hell out of you in another thread).
Because of these sore feelings, I'm automatically wrong.
It's the basic structure of a fallacious ad hominem argument. Google it if you don't believe me.
Post by
Redterror
Aren't there troll lock mobs in ashenvale? Near that place with the giant tree for the succubus warlock quest? Lore on dat? I think they are cultists...
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
Yea lets look at it that way farseer
i can ress people so why can't i ress Uther the lightbringer?
game mechanics /=/ loreYou know that you can't put
every
blatant plot contrivance down to gameplay and story segregation, right?
I realized that shortly after my post, and suddenly, it actually makes a lot of sense for Draenei to get Druids. If only Blizzard would implement it /sigh.As I said, I'm hoping they add it in a later xpack.
And Monjaru...get the hell over yourself. It's sad enough that you're insisting that you're right and I'm wrong over something that you
know
damn well is subjective. The fact that you've resorted to insults over it just ices the cake.
It's obvious that you're either trolling, clueless, or both—most likely both. Just leave.
Post by
Monjaru
And Monjaru...get the hell over yourself. It's sad enough that you're insisting that you're right and I'm wrong over something that you
know
damn well is subjective. Yet, you've claimed the very same thing just as often as I have. But now it's subjective, so I'm wrong. Right.
The fact that you've resorted to insults over it
just ices the cake.
It's obvious that you're
either trolling,
clueless
, or both—most likely both.
Just leave.
Haha, good one.
Edit: Bolded for clarity.
Post by
Monday
And Monjaru...get the hell over yourself. It's sad enough that you're insisting that you're right and I'm wrong over something that you
know
damn well is subjective. Yet, you've claimed the very same thing just as often as I have. But now it's subjective, so I'm wrong. Right.
The fact that you've resorted to insults over it just ices the cake.
It's obvious that you're either trolling, clueless, or both—most likely both. Just leave. Haha, good one.
You aren't innocent either.
Post by
Monjaru
You aren't innocent either. Tell me what I'm not innocent of and when I claimed I
was
innocent.
Post by
Adamsm
Why don't you both let it go, really. Your not going to come to a conclusion, and the thread will be trimmed down just like that other one was.
Post by
Monjaru
Why don't you both let it go, really. Your not going to come to a conclusion, and the thread will be trimmed down just like that other one was. Pretty sure I already said that, actually. It's the whole reason I created an example for comparison to his argument to end it. Obviously it didn't work.
It's a matter of pride, I guess. Neither side wants the other side to leave the last post. /shrug
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Way to prove it, Monjaru.
You called me names, and then got disingenuous when called out. I pointed out that either you are provocateuring, you are completely oblivious to your own actions, or both. There is a difference—and one which is apparently obvious to everyone
but
you.
You think draenei don't need a stealth class? I disagree with you, but you're entitled to your own opinion. That point has never been anything
but
subjective.
You
are
, however, in the wrong for calling me a "selfish little brat." Why don't you both let it go, really. Your not going to come to a conclusion, and the thread will be trimmed down just like that other one was.Hey—he shouldn't have flamed me.
Post by
Adamsm
Why don't you both let it go, really. Your not going to come to a conclusion, and the thread will be trimmed down just like that other one was.Hey—he shouldn't have flamed me.
No he shouldn't of; but you have had experience with the trolls, you know not to feed them.
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