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Post by
FarseerLolotea
Knaak did it first; he was the one who set up the whole thing with Prestor(Deathwing), going after Arthas' sister for her hand in marriage.
Now
do you see why I hate Knaak's writing?
DeCandido, however, was the one who made orcs out to not accept female warriors. (This was later explained off as that being a trait of the Old Horde rather than of the tribal orcs.) And then, there was what he wrote Antonidas saying about female magi...
ugh
. I think Arthas killed her during the purge.Never confirmed. There's a comment that "few survived," but Calia is not mentioned either way.
There is the possibility that she's
working for SI:7 under an assumed name
.
Post by
Adamsm
Knaak did it first; he was the one who set up the whole thing with Prestor(Deathwing), going after Arthas' sister for her hand in marriage.
Now
do you see why I hate Knaak's writing?
DeCandido, however, was the one who made orcs out to not accept female warriors. (This was later explained off as that being a trait of the Old Horde rather than of the tribal orcs.) And then, there was what he wrote Antonidas saying about female magi...
ugh
.
Cycle of Hatred
was a horrible, pathetic god awful book, that had no real connection to Warcraft lore.... or even a freaking plot heh. But Knaak set it up during Day of the Dragon, as part of Deathwing's move to take over Northern Lordaeron to keep the conflicts going before Beyond the Dark Portal started up.
I think Arthas killed her during the purge.Never confirmed. There's a comment that "few survived," but Calia is not mentioned either way.
There is the possibility that she's
working for SI:7 under an assumed name
.
Aye I know, but going on what Rise of the Lich King says, where he enters into the secret passages and locks the door behind him.....
Post by
Gnub
Heh that's what I meant; still Gilnean even though they are on the outside of the country... but yeah, I think it's got something to do with the Curse that's keeping them from reaching the Light like they used to, which means, that the Worgen Priests are probably followers of Elune.
I would actually love to have that happen. The moon is closely related to all kinds of werewolves, and if the Night Elves are teaching them, it could be rather interesting.
Post by
Monjaru
Because numbers aren't everything. Tauren were just fine with four, not that Sunwalkers aren't going to be awesome.
It's about utility, not quantity. Oh yeah? I bet there'd be quite a few who'd disagree with you there, considering people have been requesting Blizz give every race the ability to be any class since the beginning. Numbers aren't everything, but they sure help when it comes to appeasing the masses.
In the long run, gnomes are still in worse shape
in terms of class choices.
No, they're really not. Bolded the part you were supposed to read, but apparently didn't. Whether they're worse off in your opinion doesn't matter much, as in terms of class choices, at the end of the day gnomes still have at least 1 less choice than everyone else.
If "only six choices" is a legitimate complaint, so is "no stealth." Draenei rogues make about as much sense as the tauren rogues everyone jokes about; and druids just don't make sense for them. That's what happens when you create a race who is big, bulky, and doesn't worship nature.
No, I'm upset because draenei were left completely out of the loop.
And actually, every other race will be
at least
on equal footing. So now you agree that draenei are "still on equal footing" with several other races. So what does it really matter if they were "left out of the loop" in receiving new race/class combos? They had no need for more except to satisfy people like you who'd like to see the alliance version of tauren rogues implemented into the game.
Gnomes are
not
"worse off." That is entirely subjective. By the definition I gave, yes they absolutely are. 7 is greater than 6, and 8 is greater than 7. So 8 is greater than 6. Means that gnomes are at the bottom.
By your definition, all bases covered, gnomes are "on equal footing". So that leaves the option that gnomes are either equal or less than draenei at present.
Again: if "only six choices" is a legitimate complaint, so is "no stealth." So tell me, what new class would you have added for draenei?
Gnomes are
not
getting left out. They get priest. There is no particular "unfairness" towards them—or at least, no
more
than there is towards draenei.
Gnomes aren't any more entitled to
two
new options than draenei are to
one
. The reverse is also true; draenei are no more entitled to a new class choice than gnomes are to receiving two more. And that's entirely my point.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Oh yeah? I bet there'd be quite a few who'd disagree with you there, considering people have been requesting Blizz give every race the ability to be any class since the beginning. Numbers aren't everything, but they sure help when it comes to appeasing the masses. Did you
seriously
just start off a post with "Oh yeah?"
Bolded the part you were supposed to read, but apparently didn't. And here, we have the good old stand-by of accusing someone of not having read your post because they disagree with you. Whether they're worse off in your opinion doesn't matter much, as in terms of class choices, at the end of the day gnomes still have at least 1 less choice than everyone else.Only if quantity
objectively
trumps utility.
Draenei rogues make about as much sense as the tauren rogues everyone jokes about; and druids just don't make sense for them. That's what happens when you create a race who is big, bulky, and doesn't worship nature. Draenei are orc-sized, not tauren-sized. And there's currently more in-game precedent for druid than there is for worgen druids.
So now you agree that draenei are "still on equal footing" with several other races.Sheesh, and you accused me of not having read your post?
What I said was that every other race is
at least
on equal footing with draenei. Hell, I could argue that draenei, with no stealth class, will be
worse
off than any other race. So what does it really matter if they were "left out of the loop" in receiving new race/class combos?Because, as I've already mentioned, it's basically "if this is your favorite race, well...sucks to be you." They had no need for more except to satisfy people like you who'd like to see the alliance version of tauren rogues implemented into the game. Alliance version of
orc or troll
rogues, more like. Tauren are considerably larger than draenei.
And they had no need
whatsoever
to add human hunters or blood elf warriors.
That is entirely subjective.So...
why
are you bickering about it? By the definition I gave, yes they absolutely are. 7 is greater than 6, and 8 is greater than 7. So 8 is greater than 6. Means that gnomes are at the bottom. Again: only if quantity objectively trumps utility. By your definition, all bases covered, gnomes are "on equal footing". So that leaves the option that gnomes are either equal or less than draenei at present. It can be argued that draenei
don't
have all bases covered. Once gnomes have priest, the same can't be said of them.
So tell me, what new class would you have added for draenei? Druid or rogue, obviously. The first could be easily explained (they may be devout, but they have some acceptance of syncretism and are inquisitive and conscientious). As for the second, it would take justification, but it could
be
justified.
The reverse is also true; draenei are no more entitled to a new class choice than gnomes are to receiving two more. And that's entirely my point.Seems to me more like you've either been arguing that gnomes
are
more entitled, or just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Post by
499948
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Post by
Monday
I like how some authors (
Jim Butcher
, Nick O'Donohoe) have handled werewolves.
Yes! I'm almost finished with Fool Moon so...
Post by
Adamsm
I like how some authors (
Jim Butcher
, Nick O'Donohoe) have handled werewolves.
Yes! I'm almost finished with Fool Moon so...
Heh, that's three different werewolf types in one great book.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Heh, that's three different werewolf types in one great book.And that's if you don't count you-know-who (for Funden's sake, I won't spoil it).
Post by
Adamsm
Heh, that's three different werewolf types in one great book.And that's if you don't count you-know-who (for Funden's sake, I won't spoil it).
Heh aye, they are something special though. And I was wrong, there are four species lol.
Post by
479480
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
i think OP is a lil upset cause all the other classes get new "toys" to play with n the draenei are left outFirst of all: if you're referring to me, I didn't start this thread.
Secondly: yes, I am, and I think I'm justified. And if anyone disagrees on that count: If it had been one of
your
top two, you'd be saying the same thing. Don't deny it; no one believes you.
Post by
546985
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Post by
Orranis
I really like the idea of an Undead Paladin... and yes, it IS different than the DK but.... that would be fun.
A Death Knight is a Paladin that has been killed and brought back to undeath with the powers of necromancy, all other powers (nature, light) abandoning them, they have taken up the powers of necromancy for themselves.
An Undead Paladin is a fallacy of lore.
Mm this just occurred to me after reading your post but in this case wouldn't that make Orc, Troll, Tauren, Night Elf and Gnome Death Knights fallacies of lore? I'm not going to touch on Goblin and Worgen because a blue already stated there is no lore associated with Goblin and Worgen Death Knights but are included for gameplay mechanics.
I never said Death Knights had to be fallen Paladins, but it was a discussion on Undead Paladins.
An Undead Paladin is a Death Knight, but a Death Knight is not just an Undead Paladin.
A square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not just a square.
Post by
190748
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Post by
Adamsm
Draenei can't be Warlocks because they were basically kicked off of Draenor because of demons etcUm... no, they had roughly 80% of their race wiped out by the Orcs on Draenor, they fled from Argus because of the corruption that turned two thirds of the race into the Man'ari and joined up with the Legion.
Post by
Monjaru
@ FarseerLolotea:
You're upset that Blizzard didn't give your favorite race a new class. You have no need for a new class.
Other races received class they don't need.
Little Boy in the toy store: "But Mommy! Timmy's mom bought HIM a new action figure!"
You: "But Blizzard! You gave other races a new class this expansion!"
Answer to both: "You still don't need it."
I'm not justifying what Blizzard did, only invalidating your complaint. When that little boy complains to his mom that he didn't get a new toy he wanted when his friend's mom got them one, we call them a selfish, little brat.
When you ask for a new class you don't need with only "other races got classes they don't need" as your complaint, I'd say that makes you a selfish, little brat. Get the picture?
Bottom line is: you don't need it, Blizz has no reason to feel they need to give it to you.
Post by
190748
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
One problem with giving Draenei Druids, as much as I would love to see it happen, is that if Draenei did ever receive Druids as a playable race, they would have every single tanking and healing class in the game, and I think that that is just a bit too much for non-Draenei players not to QQ endlessly over it.That will already be true of tauren.
@ FarseerLolotea:
You're upset that Blizzard didn't give your favorite race a new class. You have no need for a new class.
Other races received class they don't need.
Little Boy in the toy store: "But Mommy! Timmy's mom bought HIM a new action figure!"
You: "But Blizzard! You gave other races a new class this expansion!"
Answer to both: "You still don't need it." Ah, yes,
this
time-honored tactic: When caught without a counter-argument, compare your opponent to a petulant little kid. Kiss your credibility goodbye. :)
Also, your analogy is not only insulting but inaccurate. If you absolutely
must
be condescending and compare people to children who didn't get toys? It's more like buying toys for all of the kid's
siblings
in
front
of him, then telling him that
he
doesn't get a toy "just because."
I'm not justifying what Blizzard did, only invalidating your complaint. Wrong on both counts.
First of all: if you
weren't
trying to justify it, you'd have quit before you had to resort to
ad hominem
attacks.
Secondly...the only thing you've
invalidated
is any argument that you might have had. When that little boy complains to his mom that he didn't get a new toy he wanted when his friend's mom got them one, we call them a selfish, little brat. Wait...
what
? You'd actually call a kid a "selfish little brat" just for
asking for a toy
? I sincerely hope that you are
not
a parent.
When you ask for a new class you don't need with only "other races got classes they don't need" as your complaint, I'd say that makes you a selfish, little brat. Get the picture? In other words...
more
name-calling, because you
still
have no real argument.
Just give up already. You blew it.
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367141
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