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Post by
Grikota
I've come to accept that for the most part people take using the Dungeon Finder as a license to be an a$$clown. People expect 100% compliance with their made up rules with no communication, perfection in accomplishing the tasks THEY want to do, and insta-hate/kick people with a difference of opinion.
I usually do a good job of keeping my nerd rage in check, but recently I've started doing Heroics and what was an annoyance before has begun to seriously endanger the longevity of my wireless mouse as the urge to fling it accross the room grows.
My most very favorite tactic is when the healer deems me not worthy of healing because I may DPS in a way not to their liking. That doesn't mean I pulled an extra group or even cause a single death, just doesn't like my rotation or whatever. They then decide to "punish" by not healing or rezzing.
I actually had a Halls of Stone instance where I switched my DK's presence to Frost from Blood for the sole reason to help gather the incoming mobs into a tight little ball for our Mage and Warlock to AOE down. The healers response? "Know your role" and then he promptly stopped healing me. Shortly after I died the whole party whiped. When his kick attempt on me failed, he quit. New healer, I used my same tactic and what would you know. Mobs stopped, DPS AOE nuked, Brann event cleared.
My rant is basically why do people feel, other then the usual Internet courage, that they have no responsibility to act with a sense of fair play and respect? If it was a well planned Raid, I could see where sticking to the plan would make a difference, but for a random PUG? Really? People need to grow the eff up.
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Post by
Whybag
In all the weeks I've used LFD, I've never once seen a kick vote come up, I'm not even sure how it works. I've never once had a healer not heal/threaten to not heal, never had a tank not pick up a mob by saying "lol u pull u tank" or ANY of the horror stories I've read about from cross realm groups.
I agree, tell me more.
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Post by
Grikota
@OP: If you, as DPS, had to go and gather the mobs, what was the tank doing? I can't really think of a situation that would warrant what you did. Maybe I'm just not very imaginative, so maybe you could elaborate on that. Also, if you didn't communicate your plan to the healer beforehand, then you're just putting more stress on the healer as he would then need to heal both you and the tank. If this was the case, I feel that the healer's comment was reasonable. Perhaps not the votekick though. My guess is that it was an overall lack of communication. All this assuming you weren't in fact that tank of course, because then the question would become "what were you doing in blood presence".
The Tank was doing his best, but he had a hard time holding aggro on several mobs at one go, especially with the AOE damage getting spammed by the other two DPS, a Mage and Warlock. The usual situation would go as such: Mobs run up into Tanks DnD, he'd begin applying diseases to first mob and by then the AOE attacks would go off and the mobs would press right on through to the clothies. The Healer was a Druid so his HoTs were doing ok with covering the relatively small damage a single mob did, but not the combined death they'd bring to non-plate wearers.
My plan and suggestion was this: I switched to my tank off-spec, helped by dropping my own DnD, Death Strike, then spam Blood Boil to keep their attention. The two other DPS did more then enough AOE to burn them down so long as they were grouped and my DPS was best on single target.
My issue wasn't that they didn't like my idea, but more that what was happening wasn't working. This hadn't been their first wipe there (I'd popped in after they kicked the previous DPS), and I didn't do this until we'd already wiped once. Their plan of do it all over again and see if we get a different result seemed crazy.
You did point out the basic issue though. Communication. Despite the usual gamers vast intelligence, psychic powers just aren't amoung them for the masses yet.
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Grikota
In all the weeks I've used LFD, I've never once seen a kick vote come up, I'm not even sure how it works. I've never once had a healer not heal/threaten to not heal, never had a tank not pick up a mob by saying "lol u pull u tank" or ANY of the horror stories I've read about from cross realm groups.
Ahh, sweet sarcasm. Always helpful and constructive.
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viva
Ive been considering making a thread for all the new to wow people. I.E. Mages who wont decurse healing debuffs because it "interrupts their precious rotation" ..of blizzarding 3 mobs.
Druids who wont decurse etc etc. Or getting crap about my low GS on an 80 who recently hit 80..yet out performing the high GS retards. (I want to smack the creator of that add on....) Tanks who blame me for going OOM when they have not geared themselves correctly to tank and they are a mana sponge. The list really goes on.
LFD went from really cool to really really annoying to deal with. Should I make the thread or will it get trolled to death?
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Post by
Whybag
In all the weeks I've used LFD, I've never once seen a kick vote come up, I'm not even sure how it works. I've never once had a healer not heal/threaten to not heal, never had a tank not pick up a mob by saying "lol u pull u tank" or ANY of the horror stories I've read about from cross realm groups.
Ahh, sweet sarcasm. Always helpful and constructive.
Ahh yes, because this gigantic wall of QQ is both helpful AND constructive ^^
Post by
USMCDiablo
@OP: If you, as DPS, had to go and gather the mobs, what was the tank doing? I can't really think of a situation that would warrant what you did. Maybe I'm just not very imaginative, so maybe you could elaborate on that. Also, if you didn't communicate your plan to the healer beforehand, then you're just putting more stress on the healer as he would then need to heal both you and the tank. If this was the case, I feel that the healer's comment was reasonable. Perhaps not the votekick though. My guess is that it was an overall lack of communication. All this assuming you weren't in fact that tank of course, because then the question would become "what were you doing in blood presence".
The Tank was doing his best, but he had a hard time holding aggro on several mobs at one go, especially with the AOE damage getting spammed by the other two DPS, a Mage and Warlock. The usual situation would go as such: Mobs run up into Tanks DnD, he'd begin applying diseases to first mob and by then the AOE attacks would go off and the mobs would press right on through to the clothies. The Healer was a Druid so his HoTs were doing ok with covering the relatively small damage a single mob did, but not the combined death they'd bring to non-plate wearers.
My plan and suggestion was this: I switched to my tank off-spec, helped by dropping my own DnD, Death Strike, then spam Blood Boil to keep their attention. The two other DPS did more then enough AOE to burn them down so long as they were grouped and my DPS was best on single target.
My issue wasn't that they didn't like my idea, but more that what was happening wasn't working. This hadn't been their first wipe there (I'd popped in after they kicked the previous DPS), and I didn't do this until we'd already wiped once. Their plan of do it all over again and see if we get a different result seemed crazy.
You did point out the basic issue though. Communication. Despite the usual gamers vast intelligence, psychic powers just aren't amoung them for the masses yet.
Or your mage and warlock could just wait 5 seconds to AoE and what the hell problem solved? Your "solution" requires far more effort in the healing department and is a complete waste of time because the other two DPS should just learn to play. I get sick of doing my random heroic and DPS idiots just pull and pull and whine that the tank sucks and can't hold aggro. My lock is ICC geared so I can pull off the vast majority of the heroics I run either because they suck or they just aren't as geared as me (or a combo of the two). However, I used to play years ago and when the DPS pulled off me (I tanked back then) it wasn't my fault at all. Of course, it was also guaranteed pretty much that the tank would have 10+ seconds to build threat on the mobs before the DPS would even start so times have certainly changed.
I just don't see why these people don't let the tank get threat or if they start getting close to the thresh hold to just stand there and wait til the tank builds more threat.
Post by
skribs
People expect 100% compliance with their made up rules with no communication, perfection in accomplishing the tasks THEY want to do, and insta-hate/kick people with a difference of opinion.
You complain about this, yet
you
didn't communicate
your
plan with the healer.
Also, there's a reason people write threads on elitistjerks about proper rotations. If you're using the proper rotation for your spec that's fine, but if you're not...it's not a "playstyle" thing, it's a "I-do-less-numbers-but-I-like-it-anyway" thing, which would annoy the heck out of me.
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Post by
Kelborn
it is also nice if you have smart dps. I always silence shot the casters on that first pull so they run up too the tank when i MD. fixd :p
I do the same thing on my hunter. It's nice to give some utility instead of just mindless pew pew.
From a healer's standpoint, the only time I don't heal people... is if I'm oom. When that happens, I'm sorry but no matter how much you're shouting "HEAL HEAL HEAL"... I'm spending everything I can on my tank. On my 80 healer (Holy Pally) mana isn't an issue really, but when leveling my lvl 30 Resto Shammy and 67 Disc or Holy (depending on my mood) Priest, a lot of tanks make terrible decisions on pulls, as do dps. If a mob is on you... why are you still attacking it? I'll throw a bubble, maybe a renew... but seriously, back off. Let the tank get threat back.
One thing to keep in mind is the mechanics of the dungeons you're running. If you're not an overgeared lvl 80, chances are the dungeon is not meant to be chain pulled relentlessly. Low level is the worst, as dps and healers are sitting there oom and drinking and the tank just charges in the QQs when he dies.
My personal favorite however is the first pull of Auchenai Crypts. You know, the dungeon where every elite attacked spawns a non elite? And those non elites ranged from melee who silence, healers (big heals too), mages, and the oh so popular mind controller. Frist pull is two mobs on each side, with a pat on each side. Idea is to pull each pat individually, then each side group. For months we did it that way in TBC. But now? Oh lets just pull all six of them. Then lets NOT kill the Possessor, nor pick up the melee adds silencing the healer. With a silenced healer and a mind controlled tank, with 12 mobs running loose... oh that's just a boatload of fun. Good thing I specced into Angelform so the pally tank I barely keep alive can rez me and we can rez the dps who cry that they can't find the dungeon.
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