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Post by
MyTie
I'm still trying to figure out what specifically about Christ's teachings are there to hate.
the teaching about woman being in lesser position than men. the teaching about killing disobeying children and the attitude of some fanatical Christians that only they deserve to live.
Wives be subject to your husbands? Seems a little out of context. Did you also see where it said that husbands are to love their wives as their own flesh? What this is saying is that a husband and wife become ONE. Take it from a married person, living with this model, my wife is NOT lesser than me, nor in a lesser position. We each have our roles, but my wife is equally important as me.
Killing innocent children? It says that children obey your parents that you may live long on the earth. That doesn't mean parents have free reign to kill their kids, it means that being obedient to your parents will help you live longer. For instance, if I tell my daughter not to play in the street, or go out with her friends to a party, or have pre marital sex, or any number of risky behaviors, I am doing it to help her, because I care about her safety. If she listens to me, she will be safer, and her days on earth will be longer.
Did you have any other complaints? Perhaps a little more specific (book chapter verse)?
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Post by
Patty
... find someone who could have fulfilled these prophecies besides Jesus. I don't know of any, and I don't think it would be possible to fulfill them in the future, since the geneiology records were destroyed in 70AD.
Who's to say the prophesies were true, and that Jesus was not some mentally ill man claiming to be the son of God?
Post by
MyTie
Killing disobeying children was in the old testament indeed.
But women holding no authority of men were words of Jesus, as was that "every single word of the old testament is true"
And it is true. He didn't 'undo' any laws. He did fulfill them though. It was like He was running a relay race, and He crossed the finish line. He didn't undo all the previous runners. They were running to get the baton to Him so He could make that last leg of the journey. Does that mean the race wasn't complete? No, He completed it. We don't have to keep running that race, it's over. We have a much easier journey because of that too.
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165617
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Post by
TheMediator
Given a position you can spin it and make it look like gold. Doesn't mean you have to follow it or believe it. I am quite tired of these debates on wowhead of Christian bashing and defending. Can we at least talk about other religions?
No. If Christianity didn't get in everyone's faces then I don't think it would be a problem, but it does. I know there are a couple of Muslims on these forums but they don't flaunt it. Plus, Christianity is just great to argue because its so clearly wrong, at least other religions might have some hint of credibility, but Christianity just seems to love to blow its own credibility by talking about silliness like a man impregnating a woman with himself, breaking a piece of bread into smaller pieces and yet somehow getting more bread in the process, etc. etc. Its like a medieval fantasy story, only people actually think it is real.
Post by
TheReal
In a response to the original post -- my religion would be the right one in the case that it was proven NO sentient being(s) created the universe. In the words of one of the greatest minds to have ever lived, "Far better...to look Death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides" (Carl Sagan). Secular humanism is founded on Sagan's wisdom, and the primary belief is that the Golden Rule should be our only concern in life. We're not here for long. We don't go anywhere after our time here is up. We get a brief opportunity at life that is hardly measurable on the complete scale of time. I would much rather "grasp the universe as it really is than persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
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165617
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Post by
TheMediator
Have you ever seen the movie, "Thank You for Smoking" when the father talks to his son about types of ice cream?
He says that when you create and argument based off opinions ie chocolate vs vanilla no one can be right or wrong. So what's the point- its not politics you can never prove your point.
Also, using stereotypes is a bad move. If you move to any country with a dominant religion your religion or belief system would stand out. So if you moved to Bhutan you would notice that there are a lot of Buddhists. Does that mean that they are aggressive at making you feel bad for your choice? Perhaps some, but that doesn't make Buddhism bad.
No. I've got a number of Indian friends who I've hung out with, and they've never tried to force Hinduism on me even in a setting where I was outnumbered by them. Ditto for the few Muslims that I know. Christianity on the other hand, it seems like those folks enjoy harassing you about it. I find it stupid. I don't know if I've ever said to someone out in the world without already being in a heated discussion "You know, your religion is stupid, you should become an atheist." For the most part, I don't even bother telling people to give up religion, because if they don't have enough sense to realize how silly it is, then they won't be convinced of their error.
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165617
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Post by
Adamsm
Also, using stereotypes is a bad move. If you move to any country with a dominant religion your religion or belief system would stand out. So if you moved to Bhutan you would notice that there are a lot of Buddhists. Does that mean that they are aggressive at making you feel bad for your choice? Perhaps some, but that doesn't make Buddhism bad.
A Buddhist would never force you to change your religion... that's not the point of it. Also, more or less what Mediator said above.
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229791
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Post by
TheMediator
That's pure anecdotal evidence. If you moved to Pakistan or Iran you'd have Islam forced down their throat. The capital of Pakistan is Islamabad ffs.. Its like being in a crowd of X race, gender, political beliefs, age and so on. If you are Y then you stand out in your head and perhaps to others.
If you were to move to Sweden you'd notice a huge lack of churches because many people do not believe in God. You would notice that as a Christian of some sort you'd stand out and maybe treated differently.
Right about the point about Pakistan/Iran, I guess it has to do with how radical people are, and you're more likely to run into Christian radicals than you are Muslim radicals.
Post by
Monday
Given a position you can spin it and make it look like gold. Doesn't mean you have to follow it or believe it. I am quite tired of these debates on wowhead of Christian bashing and defending. Can we at least talk about other religions?
No. If Christianity didn't get in everyone's faces then I don't think it would be a problem, but it does. I know there are a couple of Muslims on these forums but they don't flaunt it. Plus, Christianity is just great to argue because its so clearly wrong, at least other religions might have some hint of credibility, but Christianity just seems to love to blow its own credibility by talking about silliness like a man impregnating a woman with himself, breaking a piece of bread into smaller pieces and yet somehow getting more bread in the process, etc. etc. Its like a medieval fantasy story, only people actually think it is real.
I find this ironic. I wouldn't flaunt it if there weren't atheists coming and telling me I was wrong all the time.
Plus, Christianity is just great to argue because its so clearly wrong
Shut the hell up. I don't want to take any of this crap. If you don't like Christianity fine, but stop insulting.
For the most part, I don't even bother telling people to give up religion, because if they don't have enough sense to realize how silly it is, then they won't be convinced of their error.
Stop stating that religion is bad like it is a fact and saying they are in the wrong. I have tried to convince people that I don't like atheism, but I have never come out and said "Atheism is wrong. Its stupid and only idiots would do it."
So have the same respect for others.
A Buddhist would never force you to change your religion... that's not the point of it
Buddhists might try to convince you to change(afaik). Hinduism will never try to convert you though.
Post by
TheReal
Here's some fuel. Let it burn.
“A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism.”
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165617
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Post by
Monday
Just because the stereotypical Buddhist wouldn't push a religion doesn't exclude the millions of people in the world that follow that religion.
Technically Buddhism is a universalizing religion, so it might try to convert you like Christians or Islam (the other two universalizing religions) will.
the only reason someone that is Hindu would not convert you is that it is a "closed religion"
I'm not so sure about that.
Adams, you wanna clear this up for me?
Back out for awhile.
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165617
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Post by
Adamsm
Read through here, explains all.
That includes you Lost, as you are wrong on the Hindu front heh.
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229791
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