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91278
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
It isn't my being on a high horse that dictates that they should form their own group first, it is simple common sense. That is the only way they can ensure they don't get put into a partially cleared run where the optional boss they want to kill is dead already.
By that same "common sense", if you insist on being in a group that skips bosses, you should form your own group of people with the same goal.
Regardless it is most amusing how you guys cause the very problem you get upset about by expecting those of us that formed our own groups to do those bosses and now no longer need achievements or quests or blue gear drops from them to waste our time helping you, a random stranger too lazy to do the same.
Once again, by using the LFD tool to find a random group, you will end up in a random group with a random purpose. If the group majority agrees to skip some bosses and one guy gets annoyed and obstructive, that one guy is causing the problem. If on the other hand the group agrees to do a full run and you get annoyed and obstructive, then you're the problem.
Your view on how to run an instance is not a defacto standard and it doesn't give any merit to your point of view, that anyone wanting a full clear is lazy and trying to waste your time.
If you want a particular standard for running an instance you should form your own group. If you sign up for a random group, you have to accept that the standards are something to be figured out once the group is formed and they might not be the ones you prefer. If you're not okay with that, you should stop using the LFD tool.
^ Quoted because that's exactly what I meant to reply before seeing that he already did :P
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292411
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Post by
ZerXonE
I'll just start doing a readycheck as a vote when in a party where people have different views on skipping bosses. That way the minority can either stay or leave, the group has either way decided.
Post by
265025
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
So it's wrong to want to get as many triumphs as possible in a given ammount of time? I'm not sure I follow the logic there. Is it because someone in the group "feels like" killing an out-of-the-way boss and it would be wrong to deny him that pleasure, or is it because it's wrong to try to be efficient?
But the answer has been given: if you have queue times of greater than 5 or so minutes, skipping the bosses is
not
more efficient.
Post by
Dysmetria
..and if you end up in a random group that wants to clear all the bosses but you insist on skipping some, then you're not the least bit impatient or lazy or selfish?
If the people that want to do the optional bosses for whatever reason were forming their own groups to do so like the rest of us did and I have been saying common sense and courtesy dictates they should, then I wouldn't end up in such a group.
As it is I have only had a few out of 300+ runs where even one person really wanted to do those optional bosses for their achievement or to get a drop or to do a quest tho, so it hasn't really been much of an issue. I really don't understand why these people are getting so upset about the problems they themselves purposely cause. It's amusing tho.
But the answer has been given: if you have queue times of greater than 5 or so minutes, skipping the bosses is
not
more efficient.Uh if you have a queuetime of more than 5 seconds, it is faster to form your own group to farm triumphs and avoid the queue entirely, as the OP pointed out in the OP, and many of us have agreed with since.
Whether you choose to farm more efficiently by skipping optional bosses or not is irrelevant.
Post by
Adamsm
Eh, when I get OK or HoS I do say in chat if they want to get everything or not; so far it's been 75% for quick clear for Ok, 25% for full, and it's actually been 50/50 for HoS.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
But the answer has been given: if you have queue times of greater than 5 or so minutes, skipping the bosses is
not
more efficient.Uh if you have a queuetime of more than 5 seconds, it is more efficient to form your own group to farm emblems, as the OP pointed out in the OP, and many of us have agreed with since.
That's not always an option.
Do us all a favor and read things when they are posted.
Post by
Dysmetria
That's not always an option.
Do us all a favor and read things when they are posted.I did read it, and replied to it. Again, if you don't have the option to form your own farming group at the time due to playing duing the most dead hours or whatever, then just accept that you aren't going to do those optional bosses and be happy that you can at least do some of them.
If it wasn't an option before the RDF, you wouldn't have gotten to do any bosses at all.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
did read it, and replied to it. Again, if you don't have the option to form your own farming group at the time due to playing duing the most dead hours or whatever, then just accept that you aren't going to do those optional bosses and be happy that you can at least do some of them.
I can use that exact same argument against you.
Again, if you don't have the option to form your own farming group at the time due to playing during the most dead hours or whatever, then just accept that you
are
going to do those optional bosses and be happy that
you can at least get the extra 2 at the end
.
See.
You have provided no valid argument.
If it wasn't an option before the RDF, you wouldn't have gotten to do any bosses at all.
Uh what? You ever hear of lfg?
...
Post by
pezz
Going on a tangent back to the original discussion: It would be fun if someone compiled some statistics on it.
It wouldn't be that hard to do. Queue directly for an instance where skipping bosses is possible. Work out the average times it takes with skipping and without (maybe do this for a week or two, or have a couple people agree to do it separately), and do the maths. You could probably end up with a formula or at least a couple calculations to work out what queue times exactly make skipping worthwhile.
The other specific change you can make is try doing a really easy optional boss (first boss in OK would be my recommendation - you literally walk right by him while skipping him anyway), and a more tedious one (rock guy in HoS. Plenty of trash in the way and bonus points if he starts turning you to rock right before you kill him so you have to wait another 30 seconds).
The other nice thing about this is that it nicely side steps the ethics issue: you can do a concrete analysis of times without saying who you're being unfair to.
Post by
Dysmetria
I can use that exact same argument against you.
Again, if you don't have the option to form your own farming group at the time due to playing during the most dead hours or whatever, then just accept that you
are
going to do those optional bosses and be happy that
you can at least get the extra 2 at the end
.
No you can't, as queueing solo doesn't even ensure all those optional bosses will even still be up, much less that all 4 randoms you are grouped with will want to do them.
Uh what? You ever hear of lfg?We still have lfg, it's just reverted back to a chat channel. But I thought we were talking about times when you are unable to form a group with people from your own realm?
Really you guys just seem to like to argue. If you have to nitpick the smallest things, it's because you cannot argue with the simple logic of the main point.
Post by
91278
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
No you can't, as queueing solo doesn't even ensure all those optional bosses will even still be up, much less that all 4 randoms you are grouped with will want to do them.
Nor does it ensure that all four of them will want to skip them either!
Your arguments are irrelevant if they work both ways.
We still have lfg, it's just reverted back to a chat channel. But I thought we were talking about times when you are unable to form a group with people from your own realm?
Ugh....honestly....
getting a PuG for an instance =/= getting a farming group.
You're equating the two.
It's not always possible to get a farming group together.
Post by
Dysmetria
But your logic is that no one does them, so surely they will be up?Uh no, that's not my logic. Lots of people do them, or try to and fail.
My logic is that if you want to do them, whether for an achievement or quest or to get a blue gear drop, you should form your own group before queueing, to ensure they are up, and that your group is willing to do them.
Post by
91278
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
My logic is that if you want to do them, whether for an achievement or quest or to get a blue gear drop, you should form your own group before queueing, to ensure they are up, and that your group is willing to do them.
Ooh, ooh! Another post to reverse!
My logic is that if you
don't
want to do them, whether for
speed
or
because you hate them
, you should form your own group before queueing, to ensure
no one else want to do them
.
Again, your arguments prove irrelevant.
Post by
Dysmetria
No you can't, as queueing solo doesn't even ensure all those optional bosses will even still be up, much less that all 4 randoms you are grouped with will want to do them.
Nor does it ensure that all four of them will want to skip them either!The fact that you will eventually get all the drops you need, and your achievement and quest from them done ensures most people will eventually want to skip those optional bosses eventually.
Your arguments are irrelevant if they work both ways.
Too bad they don't, no matter how desperately you try to twist things to make them work both ways.
Ugh....honestly....
getting a PuG for an instance =/= getting a farming group.
You're equating the two.
It's not always possible to get a farming group together.
I've never had any trouble doing so, but then again I had the common sense to wait till primetime to find a group to farm triumphs on my DPS specs.
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