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taurenmoo812
Fact : Garrosh improves Orgrimmar's defenses via old school designs reminescent of the corrupted Horde
Actually the Old Horde used the same architecture as the Mag'har. The new Orgrimmar is much like a more ''badass'' Orgrimmar, not a completely new style, IMO.
Captcha = aspect frosted so RIP Malygos.
Actully thats not right. If you look at the interior designs of the buildings in new orgrimmar, and the interior to hellfire citadel, you will find they both look similar.
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drame
Fact : Garrosh improves Orgrimmar's defenses via old school designs reminescent of the corrupted Horde
Actually the Old Horde used the same architecture as the Mag'har. The new Orgrimmar is much like a more ''badass'' Orgrimmar, not a completely new style, IMO.
Captcha = aspect frosted so RIP Malygos.
Actully thats not right. If you look at the interior designs of the buildings in new orgrimmar, and the interior to hellfire citadel, you will find they both look similar.
similar, well somewhat, but non the less not the same (at least in my oppinion :D).
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also even though Garrosh is a bit simple minded, as someone else said he has reinforced orgrimmar in a nice manner, i must admit it looks badass, i can understand some liked the old relaxed thing. But this seems more like a big badass center for the warchief and his people :P
And as, again, someone said, fact is Garrosh is gonna come, while it is fun poking him with a "stick of forum posting" (1+ trolling). Fact is hes comming and we might as well lay back and see what is gonna happen :)
EDIT: had more to say XD
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taurenmoo812
And as, again, someone said, fact is Garrosh is gonna come, while it is fun poking him with a "stick of forum posting" (1+ trolling). Fact is hes comming and we might as well lay back and see what is gonna happen :)
Whats been playing on my mind lately though, is just how much the dynamic of orgrimmar will have changed, not just the style of the buildings, but how its laid out itself. The Orgrimmar we've grown to know has to it a kind of balance to say how the horde is lead today. The seat of power is in valley of wisdom, showing the horde is ruled by wisdom and shamanism, well valley of honor is where the horde gather to fight and train, and valley of spirits for the more spirital side of the hordes understanding.
Now in this orgrimmar to come, the valley of strength is changed to where thye seat of power is, not through wisdom but through strength alone, which to me, just screams what the old horde was like in how they forsaken wisdom and spirituality for strength alone. Also, the valley of wisdom not even being 'orc' oriented anymore, but only still there because of the tauren. If not for the tauren then, I can believe garrosh would have no use for the valley of wisdom, since he clearly doesn't have any himself.
And of course valley of spirits is now a dumping ground for the goblins to mine up oil, poluting the waters. Nothing even remorely spirital about it.
Now. People are saying they believe that Thrall will return in time. And what would he return to exactly? This isn't the orgrimmar he built, but one thats clearly been reworked by Garrosh to suit his ideology (and the next person to suggest maybe it was designed this way well Thrall was there, try pulling that nail out of your forehead before saying it). This new orgrimmar is lacking any sense of balance and forsaking certain aspects that Thrall tried to represent. His seat of power is no longer about wisdom for the orcs, but strength only. The interior of buildings were brighter before, now there dark and bleak. nothing is in balance anymore, and yet people are so quick to dismiss all that for the sake of saying
'omgz its cool looking!'
. That in itself says people don't quite get what the horde is about now, or what its about to lose.
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drame
And as, again, someone said, fact is Garrosh is gonna come, while it is fun poking him with a "stick of forum posting" (1+ trolling). Fact is hes comming and we might as well lay back and see what is gonna happen :)
Whats been playing on my mind lately though, is just how much the dynamic of orgrimmar will have changed, not just the style of the buildings, but how its laid out itself. The Orgrimmar we've grown to know has to it a kind of balance to say how the horde is lead today. The seat of power is in valley of wisdom, showing the horde is ruled by wisdom and shamanism, well valley of honor is where the horde gather to fight and train, and valley of spirits for the more spirital side of the hordes understanding.
Now in this orgrimmar to come, the valley of strength is changed to where thye seat of power is, not through wisdom but through strength alone, which to me, just screams what the old horde was like in how they forsaken wisdom and spirituality for strength alone. Also, the valley of wisdom not even being 'orc' oriented anymore, but only still there because of the tauren. If not for the tauren then, I can believe garrosh would have no use for the valley of wisdom, since he clearly doesn't have any himself.
And of course valley of spirits is now a dumping ground for the goblins to mine up oil, poluting the waters. Nothing even remorely spirital about it.
Now. People are saying they believe that Thrall will return in time. And what would he return to exactly? This isn't the orgrimmar he built, but one thats clearly been reworked by Garrosh to suit his ideology (and the next person to suggest maybe it was designed this way well Thrall was there, try pulling that nail out of your forehead before saying it). This new orgrimmar is lacking any sense of balance and forsaking certain aspects that Thrall tried to represent. His seat of power is no longer about wisdom for the orcs, but strength only. The interior of buildings were brighter before, now there dark and bleak. nothing is in balance anymore, and yet people are so quick to dismiss all that for the sake of saying
'omgz its cool looking!'
. That in itself says people don't quite get what the horde is about now, or what its about to lose.
first of all, i can see what you mean.
secondly, its. a. game - the "omg it looks cool" feeling is a very very big part, and thats how i like my game, while story and gameplay has an equal role, the "omg iz awesum squiii!" feeling is also a very important part.
While i can see what your saying about the valleys, i feel like your looking waaaaaaayy to deeply into it, again its a game, and we aren't talking the "its just a game" in the way its an MMO style, but rather as game with a story, its a big story, its awesome, but dont look to deeply into it, you gotta give it some slack at times like everything else. But thats just my oppinion
The buildings are dark and bleak becouse thats the style Garrosh probably went for, and adding what materials that where at hand.
either ways in short: i dont mind the lack of balance, i find it still cool looking and makes me giddy like a child in a candy store when i look at it since its so new and redisgned in its style compared to the old orgrimmar (not that i didnt like it, but honestly i liked Stormwind more than Orgrimmar, and i know the whole lore deal ofc. so dont go over in a fuss over it :P ).
again looking away from Garroshes view on how things should be done, and just looking at plain designs of it. While not giving a home sweet home feeling, it does give off a strong badass "you enter, you die(if not friendly with the horde" feeling.
also just to add about what the horde "is about to loose" etc. I honestly dont give 2 cents about that, its a story im following, i dont pick a side and get all fanboish over it or try justify a virtual greenskinned orc (or brownskinned etc.).
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taurenmoo812
On another subsection, there is.. something else thats been running through my head in all this. As much as I want to deny it or even pass it off, there is this feeling I'm having like as if they intend to do a history repeating itself story with garrosh and Thrall.
Basicly, how in lord of the clans, Thrall single handed beat Orgrim in a one on one fight, and then proceeded to liberate his people, only for it to lead to Orgrim being killed (stabbed in the back) and handing his mantle and armor to Thrall.
Its something I'm praying not to happen, but given the setup, Garrosh faces Thrall in single combat and nearly (unfinished fight) beats him, he now commands the orcs to fight against the alliance, in a very different situation, but it bares a reflection to that what happened before, Thrall as Orgrim, Garrosh in Thralls shoes. Suppose, and this is just my brain overworking it, they have Thrall die, and suddenly Garrosh becomes a redeemed character and everything just screws up like that. I mean to me, that would be the end of warcraft for me.
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GVHB
Thrall gives Garrosh temporary control over the Horde. It has nothing to do with the unfinished duel from before Wrath (I suppose that is what you are talking about tauren).
Don't worry tauren, Thrall won't have the same fate that Orgrim had.
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Feldia
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."- Thomas Jefferson
I think that this is what is happening to the horde right now; Garrosh is going to be in power and will perhaps be a tyrant over the horde. Than the people of the horde will see how much better Thrall and peace was compared to constant war or perhaps Garrosh will grow up when he has the constant stress of leadership, something he didn't have before.
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taurenmoo812
Ironically Not an accident that in Cataclysm, Garrosh kills one of his commanders for slaughtering Alliance infants.
People talk about this as if its meant to justify Garrosh in some way, but have you even considered how if that orc commander was under Thralls command, would he have even gotten it into his head to do what he did? It seems those who in the horde who still cling to the dark ways are influenced by Garrosh and come to the surface, well under Thrall they remained under the surface.
In other words. even killing that commander doesn't justify Garrosh, since he caused it indirectly to begin with.
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Doesn't matter if you think it's better, by saying Varion, your not saying the right name so anyone can say your post means nothing. And Garrosh called out Varian, and drew his weapon first; Varian attacked first yes, which doesn't excuse either of their actions there.
Normally I totally am with you for your arguements Adam, but not now.
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And Garrosh
Starting a sentence with the word "and" is... What is the phrase? "Grammatically incorrect"? (I am honestly not sure)
Does it matter? He is correcting the misspelling of a name.
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Leronroll
Then I'm sorry to say, if you can't be bothered to spell a name right, your posts will be ignored or become troll bait.
agreed. i dismissed the post when i noticed it was a huge text wall.
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