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Post by
Onijitsu
I call it evolution.
Try devolution.
Agreed.
"Survival of the lowest common denominator" just doesn't have the same ring to me.
Or, "Paper red in abuse and flaw."
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271052
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Post by
ElhonnaDS
@Shin Emperor
I do agree that a language evolves and changes over time. The introduction of new usages for words, and new words for situations and objects that haven't existed before will constantly change a language. In WOW, words like leet, huntard and noob, and new usage for the word Tank as a verb, are all examples of language changing to accomodate new situations. People consciously choosing to spell a word in a different way, for aesthetic appeal, can also be an evolution of language (Phat, lootz, etc.).
However, someone mispelling words because they have a poor grasp of the language (for whatever reason) is NOT the language evolving. Mistaking one word for another, and using it in the wrong context as a result of not knowing the difference between the two words is NOT language evolving.
Your point does not apply to this situation, because while language does need to adapt to new situations and usages, that DOES NOT mean that you can spell any word any way you like without knowing the original spelling, and use any word that sounds reasonably close to the word you meant to say, and defend the mistake by saying it's evolution.
@OP
I agree that people should not get nasty over spelling and grammar, and resort to name-calling and judgement over it- aka "It's spelled rogue you idiot" and what not. However, I do often tease my friends and guildies when they make mistakes. On occasion i'll also comment on a mispelled macro, if i see it in trade chat about 20 times.
I think that it's completely acceptable for there to be some social pressure to speak and write correctly. In public schools, there is plenty of social pressure for children to NOT use large words, and not speak in a way that's 100% gramatically correct, lest they be labeled "nerd".
It seems that people who are insecure in the area of their intelligence and/or education constantly want the norm to be brought down to their level, rather than having to push themselves beyond their comfort zone. This has created a social culture where it isn't "cool" to know too much, or to use your educational skills effectively. Why is it wrong, then, for people to apply social pressure in the opposite direction- to ask people to set a higher standard for how they present themselves in order to be taken seriously? At the very least, it creates a balance.
Has anyone ever seen "Idiocracy"?
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Post by
liquinas
I care because when I have a kid if I ever catch him typing I'm going to have to punch him in the face, and I really don't want to punch him in the face. I will do what I can here and there to try and stop this &*!@face generation from destroying themselves with their "Life is SMS" mentality.
Post by
Monday
Because people have an attitude that happiness requires the misery of others.
Post by
Dysmetria
In my experience, people start caring about how you spell, the name of the account you are posting on, and/or anything else that has to do with you rather than what you said only when they have no legitimate response.
Likewise, only the people that are not confident in what they said in their post worry about the people attacking their spelling/name/etc.
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Post by
pgh1980
As someone said before, you have all the time you need to write a post on an internet forum; there's no reason it should be full of errors. One or two and I'm ok, but some people seem to make it a point to use incorrect spelling (especially as many browsers have a spellcheck these days) and bad grammar. And that makes me wish I could send them for a few lessons with my tenth grade English teacher.
It also has nothing to do with feeling superior for me to point out many blatant errors. I'm currently in school to be a teacher (history or english, haven't decided which yet); pointing things like that out comes natural.
Finally, it would benefit many people to not take it as a personal attack, but instead try and learn from it.
Post by
xaratherus
Personally? I do it to combat what I feel is a laziness that is permeating society as a whole.
That sounds highfalutin, but it's true. Somewhere along the line humanity - more appropriately, the United States - has gained this mindset of avoiding offense to anyone by consistently lowering the standards. The Internet is not an excuse to be lazy and incompetent, and I will call people out for using it as such (for what good it does).
Rouge versus Rogue is one of my biggest pet peeves. If it's a singular typo, then I overlook it - spell checkers can't catch a slip on the keyboard like that, since the word that results is still correct. If the person does it repeatedly, though - frankly, I
do
consider myself more intelligent than them (at least from an English-based grammatical standpoint), because they're not only showing a lack of basic word comprehension but also an inability (or a lack of desire) to learn.
Post by
Wondroustremor
UK/US spelling is one thing. Idiocy is another. As an American I find "colour", "theatre", etc. annoying but at least it's considered correct in other parts of the world. However, "Rouge" is not the correct spelling of "Rogue" in any part of the world, and thus is much more irritating because it shows either laziness or stupidity.
Also, rouges are overpowdered.
Believe me, we who were brought up knowing the Queen's English find the American versions of words just as annoying. England created English, and America butchered it. (Just kidding- I don't mind either spelling. I just thought I'd point out that English originated in England, thus American English is the deviation.)
Things like honour versus honor, colour versus color, centre versus center, aluminium versus aluminum - all are correct, but they're just regional differences. As Clydtsdk mentioned, "rouge" is not a variant of rogue. It's a red-coloured makeup. It's also in the game (unless you're playing in a different language where "rogue" is translated), as well as in English-language forums.
I can usually look at a post and recognise that it's an ESL (English as Second Language) post, and I tend to give it more leeway. As has been mentioned, a lot of our ESL brethren will try harder than most people who were born in English-speaking countries to make themselves understandable. However, when people don't even appear to
try
, or use lots of leetspeak and intentional misspellings, it's aggravating to have to try to translate something. And when people start using intentional misspellings and leetspeak, it makes the inner grammar police in me cringe. How much harder is it to use proper words?
·I am trying to find the best spec for elemental shaman.
·Hai guyz, wuts the 1337 ele shammy spec nows lol?
Yes, the second sentence is marginally shorter than the first- but the first can be read in a second, while you'll have to use more brain cells to translate the second. And in the end, you're posting because you want responses. You're not just posting for you, but you're posting for all to read. If you post poorly, you'll get poor responses. Post with the thought in mind that you're not posting so that
you
can read it- you're posting so that
everyone else
can read it.
As for stickies, you may not know what stickies are, but they're stuck to the top of the forums for a reason. Telling people to read the stickies might actually encourage them to read the stickies, and also possibly find other topics that they were going to post about after the thread they were just told, "Read the stickies".
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Post by
xaratherus
because this thread was needed right?
Of all the posts on this entire site, you chose
mine
to place your pointless comment on? Wow.
Because your comment was needed, right?
Hah, the kapatcha was iw11n. IW11N!
Check his posting history. Yours isn't the first to receive the "slaytanic touch o' gold". Just ignore him and move on.
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451227
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Post by
ElhonnaDS
To give an example of my point about the attitude among school-age kids:
This was an actual conversation that took place in my guild vent between two teenagers, both in their first or second year of high school, both native English speakers from the United States. They were discussing that one of them had accidentally started on a Latin American server (and didn't speak Spanish, btw, to forestall the people will argue that English might not have been his native language):
Teen 1: So, wait, are you some kinds of a Central America or something?
Teen 2: (Thinking he might fool him into thinking he was) Yeah, I'm from Spain.
Teen 1: Wow, you don't sound like a Spain.
....
This is not ok. We should be embarassed that, at the age of 14 or 15, people can go through our educational system and not be able to conjugate a sentence. We should be embarassed that they think Spain is in Central America. What favor would we be doing by NOT correcting them? I'm not talking about being mean about it, but it takes a village to raise a child.
If their teachers can't get through to them, their peers encourage ignorance, and their parents either don't have the time to spend with them, or don't think it's a priority to make sure their children learn to speak correctly, why should the rest of society not be allowed to give a push in the right direction?
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Post by
Kailhun
I'm not sure I do care if someone's post reads like gibberish. I do know that if someone can't be bothered to use proper spelling, grammar, punctuation, structure etc. I can't be bothered to read the text. A typo here or there or missing word is not a problem, but if you don't care neither do I.
I do find that if the spelling is similar I sometimes type the Dutch word instead of the English word: 'of' instead of 'or'.
I also tend to mess up the -'s or -s, as the rules in English and Dutch differ. The result is I don't know the rules in either language. Oh well.
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