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How is Zalazane Still Alive?
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Post by
Rankkor
how's zalazane still alive?
you know....... a lot of people did the "drakefire amulet" quest-chain in vainilla, and all of the sudden, without any sort of explanation blizzard just tossed in varian's comic, and just like that, all we did in that extremely long quest meant squat, as it was varian who freed windsor, it was varian who uncovered the corruption behind katrana, it was varian (plus jaina+valeera+broll+red-shirt army) who killed onyxia..............
it all boils down to:
Player: wait a sec, I did a long quest, I have the amulet to prove it, It was me who rescued windsor, who uncovered the intrisic web of lies and corruption seeping in the noble house of stormwind, it was me who unmasked katrana, it was me who participated in her downfall, and it was me who turned her head to the people to admire how strong I am, u're telling me that just like that, for no reason at all, and without any kind of explanation NOTHING OF THAT ever happened?
Blizzard: yup.
/facepalm.
....................................................................................................................................................................
in cataclysm, the whole troll/gnomer storyline boils down to this:
Player: wait a sec, I did a 2-step quest, where I just barged in the island, killed about 15 trolls, killed zalazane, took the skull of one of his victims, and got back to sen'jin for my reward, u're telling me that small little short adventure never happened?
Blizzard: yup.
Player: hold on, I besieged Gnomergan, put to rest the lepper gnomes, helped clear up the districts and killed thermaplug, I got the achievement, that also didn't happend?
Blizzard: yup.
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Morale of the story: this is blizzard, expect retcons to happen A LOT, and also expect stuff you did to suddenly disapear and have no significant impact on the story at some point in the future.
Post by
Monday
Simple. We didn't actually kill Zalazane... it was an impostor.
Post by
Orranis
Simple. We didn't actually kill Zalazane... it was a
n impostor
setback.
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382219
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Post by
Gnub
The only thing I've ever found funny is that people get their panties in a bunch so much about retcons. This isn't Star Trek people. Blizzard has never...NEVER, showed any interest in maintaining continuity within the Warcraft universe.
To put it bluntly: It's their game, they do as they want. And really, I'd much have have retcons than trying to fit it all in.
Remember the Draenei story? Good, because
THAT
was a major retcon, and we've gotten by that pretty well.
Post by
Sallara
He self-ressed. He's a shaman. He has ankhs.
Post by
Adamsm
He self-ressed. He's a shaman. He has ankhs.
Or this heh.
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Post by
sagnheiili
Lupine is a troll.
Stop feeding him.
Look at his past posts.
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Post by
sutasafaia
This is confusing...
I'm making a post here: huge concern.
It's to overstate my confusion.
Dark Spear trolls.
They do they must because, they're trolls.
For the good of all the horde, except the ones who are dead.
But there's no sense crying over broken lore.
You just keep on raiding til you're locked out the door
And the questing gets done and you get a neat gun, for the trolls who are still alive.
I'm not really angry, I'm still pretty confused right now.
Even though I spent hours on wowwiki, and made stay up, and made me miss school.
I failed, it hurt because: I'm still pretty confused!
Now these thread (I hope) is a beautiful lie, Zalazane is still alive, I hope cata comes out on time!
So I'm glad I failed, that boat has already sailed, but Zalazane is still alive!
Wowhead has failed me...I think I'll help somewhere else to help me...
MAYBE THOTBOT...that was a joke, HAHA phat chance.
Anyways, trolls are great, they are so blue and moist.
Look at me still talking when there's lore to review.
When I look up things I'll be thinking of you<3
I got spread sheets to run, I raiding that has to be done, to find out why that troll is still alive.
And believe Zalazane is still alive.
He's doing Voodoo and he's still alive.
He feels fantastic and he's still alive.
While you're dieing he'll be still alive.
and when you're rezing he'll be still alive.
STILL ALIVE
still alive...
I can't decide if this is making my brain incredibly happy or incredibly sad yet :P
Post by
Arikan
Maybe it's just me, but I really don't get why this is an issue. Other people have pretty much spelled this out, but I'll try to simplify.
Zazalane is not dead
in lore
until this upcoming patch.
You create a new character. You get the quest to kill Zaz. He's dead, you move on.
You create another character. You can still get the quest to kill Zaz. As far as the greater WoW story is concerned, he's still around. He hasn't been killed. This patch's storyline is killing him "for good" as far as the greater WoW storyline is concerned. Meaning after this, once Cat launches, he'll be considered dead.
How is this any different then any other quest to kill any other NPC? It's not, you're just suddenlly making a fuss because the storyline is making a decision to make your quest to kill him, which you've been able to do over and over for 5+ years, official.
Come on. Simple concept. Wrap your brain around it ftw.
Post by
Erlinn
This is confusing...
I'm making a post here: huge concern.
It's to overstate my confusion.
Dark Spear trolls.
They do they must because, they're trolls.
For the good of all the horde, except the ones who are dead.
But there's no sense crying over broken lore.
You just keep on raiding til you're locked out the door
And the questing gets done and you get a neat gun, for the trolls who are still alive.
I'm not really angry, I'm still pretty confused right now.
Even though I spent hours on wowwiki, and made stay up, and made me miss school.
I failed, it hurt because: I'm still pretty confused!
Now these thread (I hope) is a beautiful lie, Zalazane is still alive, I hope cata comes out on time!
So I'm glad I failed, that boat has already sailed, but Zalazane is still alive!
Wowhead has failed me...I think I'll help somewhere else to help me...
MAYBE THOTBOT...that was a joke, HAHA phat chance.
Anyways, trolls are great, they are so blue and moist.
Look at me still talking when there's lore to review.
When I look up things I'll be thinking of you<3
I got spread sheets to run, I raiding that has to be done, to find out why that troll is still alive.
And believe Zalazane is still alive.
He's doing Voodoo and he's still alive.
He feels fantastic and he's still alive.
While you're dieing he'll be still alive.
and when you're rezing he'll be still alive.
STILL ALIVE
still alive...
So, um, let's talk about THIS now.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
I believe
this
about covers it.
Anyway...Yaabu? That was funny, even if the cadence was a bit off. :)
Post by
Runehoof
I can only say one thing.
Don't mess with the voodoo.
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Post by
Gnub
How come Hogger is still walking around Elwynn forest when I've killed him before?
The answer is *gasp* WARCRAFT is a GAME. It's not a book or a movie with sequels.
Actually, the answer is: He has to be there for those who havn't killed him. When you kill him, he's dead in your world. In your own personal storyline. Stories can easily be told, people just have to comprehend how to get them.
Hogger is dead in lore (if you are past that quest, that is).
Zalazane should be dead in lore (if you, like Hogger, are past that quest). This is changed by a "live" retcon, as explained by previous posts.
It's a game. The comics and books tell a story of the characters in the game. We all just play a game.
Yes, it's a game. That, however, isn't enough of an answer to this exact "problem".
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