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What's the typical problem with Shadow Priest DPSers?
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sagnheiili
I'll run some experiments on dummies myself sometime when I have a minute. That's really interesting. Wonder what Sinespe would have to say about this?
Don't take this as to much of an insult Oscar, but I'd be wrong if I didn't say this.
No one should take Oscar's advice about Spriests to seriously, as his choice in badge gear purchases show. Not rushing for your 4pc T10 bonus is the worst mistake any shadow priest can ever make in this game, because quite frankly it is a colossal dps increase and makes your life SO SO SO much easier.
As for the mind flay clipping: Don't do it. Unless you are practically playing inside blizz HQ and hooked directly into your server on a hard line, and you have godly enough timing to stop your mindflay within .2 seconds of the second tick, you are better off allowing the third. However, once you get the 4 piece T10 Bonus, NEVER clip your flay, ever, don't do it, it's a trap, etc etc.
And to the OP, the wowhead forums are not the place to go for shadow priest advice. Not saying you can't get some of the basics and some informed opinions, but for the full on hardcore facts, we have us a site for that.
Shadowpriest.com
(inb4 MUH KEYS IS LOGGED)
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OscarDivine
I'll run some experiments on dummies myself sometime when I have a minute. That's really interesting. Wonder what Sinespe would have to say about this?
Don't take this as to much of an insult Oscar, but I'd be wrong if I didn't say this.
No one should take Oscar's advice about Spriests to seriously, as his choice in badge gear purchases show. Not rushing for your 4pc T10 bonus is the worst mistake any shadow priest can ever make in this game, because quite frankly it is a colossal dps increase and makes your life SO SO SO much easier.
Amazing that my choice of gear isn't dictated by shadow... BECAUSE I'M MAIN SPEC DISCO. Thanks for noticing and being a dyk about it though. Really appreciated
edit: ty for the backup Sin.
edit edit: So amazingly, I said, "don't clip your mind flay..." to which you (sagnheiili) also replied, "don't clip your mind flay..." So yeah, don't follow my advice. Good advice on my advice!
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cohut
doing hcs/raids/anything is all about foreseeing what will happen the next 10s(or maybe not 10s, but foreseeing stuff, anyways). if the mobs will die in 2s, find some other mobs, or use something which have lower casttime than 2s to blow them away.
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Pachuca
I'll probably try clipping MFx2 for the sake of VT or DP and see what happens. I'm only Shadow for Blood Queen, cause after a few weeks of trying to keep up with the druids and shamans in my group, Disc just doesn't shine very bright in that fight. So I get to go Shadow for 1 fight per week! :)
Unfortunately, my shadow set reflects my lack of consistent raiding, and henceforth lack of appropriate Emblems of Frost
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Paolo
Problem with BQL is you can't mindlessly shield spam. People will need your shields urgently when linked or bleeding purple, so you have to be judicious as those cooldowns come up. Any time you're not mindlessly shield spamming, you're not pulling your weight. (By that I mean: if you're casting a Flash Heal, you're doing less good than any other healer would with that GCD.) Holy does indeed seem better on this fight if you need to go heals.
I always play disc on this fight in 25 and shadow in 10. It's not that disc isn't fine, it's just not optimal.
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sagnheiili
secondly, using the info on sp.com i came to the conclusion, due to the fact the pieces were rated higher according to their itemisation, that i could probably get away with
gloves of false gestures
,
the meteor chest
and
leggings of woven death
for both specs.
Quoted just so I can see sagn's reaction. This will be amusing.
However, once you get the 4 piece T10 Bonus, NEVER clip your flay, ever, don't do it, it's a trap, etc etc.
. Is there a post about this somewhere? There was a post on ej referencing shadowpriest.com about clipping for MB, but I haven't seen anything that changes clipping for VT/DP. I recently picked 4pc t10 up and if I really am screwing something up I'd like to know.
Knocking an extra 0.5 seconds off your MF is the equivalent of getting more haste on that particular spell. I.e., it changes nothing with regards to clipping at MF2 for VT/DP. sagn is just rabid about 4T10.
INC REACTION ZOMG HERE IT COMES:::::::
K, that's fine for both.
But if you aren't primarily shadow, don't give shadow advice.
Edit: Yes, it's like adding haste to that spell.
But NOT any other spell. Shadowpriest.com is your friend.
And again as mentioned, clipping MF is (on paper) a dps increase, but when you have a respectable amount of haste and especially when you have enough T10 for the set bonus (that ANY intelligent Spriest is "rabid" over) the risk/reward factor is FAR to small to worry about, especially when factors beyond your control (ie latency) are in play.
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Problem with BQL is you can't mindlessly shield spam. People will need your shields urgently when linked or bleeding purple, so you have to be judicious as those cooldowns come up. Any time you're not mindlessly shield spamming, you're not pulling your weight. (By that I mean: if you're casting a Flash Heal, you're doing less good than any other healer would with that GCD.)
trying to understand what you're saying here paolo, seems to be don't mindlessly shield spam but mindlessly shield spam, could you elaborate.
First, a disc priest in 25s is useful primarily as a shieldbot. Just to illustrate: if you spent every GCD casting Flash Heal, you'd be largely a wasted raid spot. Any other healer will get more mileage out of their GCDs than you will when you're casting Flash Heals. Our healing spells are weak. Obviously Penance will give you more HPS, but you won't be casting that very much, since you're not (or you shouldn't be) on tank duty. Your bread and butter for max-HPS is shield spam.
On some aura fights -- Twins is an extreme example -- your shields are crazy good. Just spam shields and PoM and you will attain great victory. BQL is also an aura fight, of course, but her other mechanics are wrenches in the works. You want to ensure that you have shields available for people who are linked, or who are bleeding purple flame. If you've been shield-spamming, your key targets will often have WS, leaving you with no option but to use Flash Heal. (PoM should already be on cooldown as well.) This isn't the end of the world, of course, but again, every time you cast Flash Heal you're lowering your value to the raid.
The other option is to go more slowly with your shields, which means there's a better chance your target won't have WS when you need to shield them. This is tricky to do well, plus it means you're wasting GCDs (or using Flash Heal, which is almost the same).
Hope that makes more sense... I'm not feeling terribly articulate tonight.
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OscarDivine
Haha! how did this thread get hijacked into a disco thread now? Back on topic friends.
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