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Does Arthas truely deserve redemption?
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Post by
takakenji
I don't see why everyon thinks Arthas was all good and nice before Frostmourne...
He betrayed his own men, he betrayed the mercenaries he hired, he disbanded the Silver Hand out of anger...
And then afterwards... hoo boy...
We've seen those who, despite undeath, still resist the Lich King. Alexandros, Zeliak, Anub'arak, etc.
Arthas didn't just not resist, but he fully embraced it and man, he was cruel... Making Sylvanas kill her own people, what he said to Kael'thas, making Thassarian kill his own mother. Those were entirely unnecessary, and he should be punished for them.
thats because while he was doing ALL of that, he was thinking he was doing GOOD, like i said earlier, he had good intentions, he just executed them badly.
also, not even alexandros could resist the Lich King's will untill death (if he died, blizzard only says he went missing)
anub'arak couldn't resist untill he was killed, too.
zeliek couldn't resist either, but he was so pure he was able to retain his thoughts and the light stayed with him. If zeliek could resist, he would of ditched naxxramas in a flash.
Post by
Skreeran
Cruelty is rarely good, and it cannot be confused with poorly executed good intentions.
Cruelty is cruelty. Arthas was cruel. Arthas should be punished.
Post by
takakenji
look at the scarlet crusade, they are apparently "cruel" and the light stays with them. They have interrogators and lots of horrible things like that.
aka, they execute things badly.
Post by
Skreeran
You think Renault Mograine found redemption? He was "just doing what he thought was right."
Post by
takakenji
no, because renault really was corrupt, he was promised power in turn of killing his father.
Post by
Patty
no, because renault really was corrupt, he made affairs with Kel'thuzad.
Arthas was really corrupt. :P
Post by
Adamsm
no, because renault really was corrupt, he was promised power in turn of killing his father.
Actually, he was corrupted by Balznaar, who forced him to kill his father.... sounds familiar.
Post by
takakenji
exactly, ner'zhul's influence made arthas kill his father, arthas didn't do it himself.
Post by
Patty
exactly, ner'zhul's influence made arthas kill his father, arthas didn't do it himself.
Physically, he did. At this point he was basically Ner'zhul's lacky - But if his will was strong enough I am almost certain he could have resisted.
Post by
barthem
exactly, ner'zhul's influence made arthas kill his father, arthas didn't do it himself.
even he was afther vengeance, the arthas i played in warcraft would have NEVER killed his father
Post by
Orranis
exactly, ner'zhul's influence made arthas kill his father, arthas didn't do it himself.
Doesn't mean he didn't slaughter innocent soldiers in Northrend by burning their only way out of a trap.
Post by
Skreeran
exactly, ner'zhul's influence made arthas kill his father, arthas didn't do it himself.
Physically, he did. At this point he was basically Ner'zhul's lacky - But if his will was strong enough I am almost certain he could have resisted.Certainly.
Just look at any of the people I listed before. Even if they did kill someone dear to them, they wouldn't have been so goddamn smug about it, and they damn sure wouldn't have been so cruel to Sylvanas, Kael'thas and Thassarian.
After reading RotLK, I just wanted to cut Arthas into little bitty pieces.
He enjoyed being cruel, and he enjoyed being the Lich King.
He wasn't just controlled by Ner'zhul, and he wasn't just controlled by the Lich King. HE WAS THE LICH KING. He was a part of that. He consciously commanded the deaths of thousands. He killed Draenosh and tortured Bolvar and delighted in the crueltly that he showed his prisoners. Just look at what he said to Tirion.
He was evil. He chose to be evil. He cut out his own goddamn heart. He killed/banished his humanity. He took up Frostmourne and he became the Lich King on his own. He deserves far worse that the soul death he got.
Post by
Adamsm
exactly, ner'zhul's influence made arthas kill his father, arthas didn't do it himself.
Yes he did; Arthas resented his father; Terenas said, in his own hearing, that Varian was more like a son to him and he was glad to have the Prince of Stormwind at his kingdoms. Arthas had a low hatred of his own father; feeling that he stood in the way of him becoming king and was the reason that the Scourge had made as much damage as they did.
All Mal'ganis, Ner'zhul and Frostmourne did was pull out his true side, the evil side that existed seething below the piousness.
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Post by
takakenji
Zeliek and others didn't carry Frostmourne, before Arthas was just a !@#$%^bag that "would do what had to be done without thinking much", Arthas betrayed mercenaries who fought for him and saved villagers from the misery of becoming Undead - everything he did was a bad thing for the greater good.
Its like saying that the Light wouldn't accept Scarlet Crusaders who would find redemption in death.
exactly.
Post by
Orranis
Zeliek and others didn't carry Frostmourne, before Arthas was just a !@#$%^bag that "would do what had to be done without thinking much", Arthas betrayed mercenaries who fought for him and saved villagers from the misery of becoming Undead - everything he did was a bad thing for the greater good.
Its like saying that the Light wouldn't accept Scarlet Crusaders who would find redemption in death.
exactly.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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229054
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Post by
Adamsm
Assuming there's a Hell in Azeroth, you mean?
There is at least one; being inside of Frostmourne heh; otherwise, how do you explain the complete 180 of beings like Deathbringer Saurfang and Sylvanas?
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229054
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Post by
Adamsm
Frostmourne isn't the first object where souls may be sealed into =D.
Oh aye, I'm sure the demon soul would count as well, and the truncheons of the 1st generation Death Knights; but it's Frostmourne we see the most devastation from heh.
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