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Why Americans can't speak (or write in) English properly.
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Post by
pak52b
Well, I guess what I'm saying really says you're going to learn things in school that you don't need (I work in Information Technology, woodworking is pretty much the last thing I'll need...). You'll also learn things that you should learn but don't pay attention to (unless you actually do ofc).
What it boils down to, is that it's the student's responsibility what he does with that information and how he actually applies it to his career or everyday life. As most youth fail to see the "bigger picture", it's something that has to be "pushed on" by the responsible parties...
(Granted, not everyone has the same chance of a "good" education... )
But yeah, I guess I'm getting off topic here...
Post by
Miyari
Why the hell is this is UI & Macros?
Post by
Patty
Well, "L2P English, noob."
I really dislike American spellings, and especially when Americans tell me to speak English because I typed "realise" Instead of "realize", Which I personally find quite ironic.
Anyway, mini-rant over.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Whoa, what hellhole did this monstrosity crawl out of?
Stupid, unfounded, biased opinions are just that. I'm American, and I care more about grammar and composition than nearly anyone else on this forum.
Well, L2P English, noob.
I really dislike American spellings, and especially when Americans tell me to speak English because I typed "realise" Instead of "realize", Which I personally find quite ironic.
Anyway, mini-rant over.
You know what I find ironic?
Realize
is an older form than
realise
by nearly 100 years.
Post by
Patty
Stupid, unfounded, biased opinions are just that.
Technically, every opinion has bias.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Stupid, unfounded, biased opinions are just that.
Technically, every opinion has bias.
Says you.
I believe opinions can be unbiased.
Post by
Patty
You know what I find ironic? Realize is an older form than realise by nearly 100 years.I don't think age of the word is relevant. Usage, however, is.
Says you.Yes, says me. I never claimed that my opinion is unbiased.
I believe opinions can be unbiased.That's your opinion, which is somewhat biased in itself.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
You know what I find ironic? Realize is an older form than realise by nearly 100 years.I don't think age of the word is relevant. Usage, however, is.
I'm talking about British usage, if you didn't get my meaning. -ize has been in use in Britain longer than -ise.
It will be as hard to apprehend, as that an empty wish should remove mountains; a supposition which, if realized, would releave Sisyphus.
We shall but make up the story of Icarus, and realize the fable
Rich death, that realizes all my cares, Toils, virtues, hopes; without it a chimera!
In Support of the Truth of these Deductions, let us now endeavor to realize them; by shewing that such Consequences did in Fact arise in ancient Greece.
Nor has the experience of any officer realized the stories which all have read.
Ideals are none the worse because they cannot be realized in fact.
Many Russians will die before they realize a conquest of the people of Afghanistan.
____________________________________________
Yes, says me. I never claimed that my opinion is unbiased.
...
That's your opinion, which is somewhat biased in itself.
You still haven't provided any evidence.
Post by
Patty
You know what I find ironic? Realize is an older form than realise by nearly 100 years.I don't think age of the word is relevant. Usage, however, is.
I'm talking about British usage, if you didn't get my meaning. -ize has been in use in Britain longer than -ise.It's been in use longer, but does that mean it is more widely used in Britain now? From my own experiences, which I will not claim to be a ground-breaking study, -ise is more commonly used. My point is I dislike Americans, or people who spell words with U.S adaptations/options who nitpick my English spelling.
You still haven't provided any evidence.
Okay, every source is written from someone's point of view - Agreed? Therefore, the source itself is likely to be reflective of the author's point of view.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
My point is I dislike Americans, or people who spell words with U.S adaptations/options who nitpick my English spelling.
That's not what you said...
"I really dislike American spellings "
Okay, every source is written from someone's point of view - Agreed? Therefore, the source itself is likely to be reflective of the author's point of view.
You have two incorrect assumptions here:
(1) No, I -- and others -- write plenty of things that are not from our own point of view.
(2) Your hidden premise is that everything written from one's point of view is necessarily biased. Not so. It's my opinion that my younger brother is a good basketball player. I've seen him grow up and play basketball for 15 years, and I can say completely unbiasedly that he is good. Could I have been biased about it? Yes. Am I? No.
Post by
260787
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Patty
My point is I dislike Americans, or people who spell words with U.S adaptations/options who nitpick my English spelling.
That's not what you said...
"I really dislike American spellings "I then elaborated, which you fully well know. I personally prefer realise, because I think it 'looks nicer' - Not that this actually has any point. I distinguish 'realise' and 'realize' by 'realize' being used much more commonly in America than where I live, at this point in time. Your quotes from 1661 don't really hold much ground in 2010.
Okay, every source is written from
someone's
point of view - Agreed? Therefore, the source itself is likely to be reflective of the author's point of view.
You have two incorrect assumptions here:
(1) No, I -- and others -- write plenty of things that are not from our own point of view.If I had said 'from the author's point of view' - Your point would actually be relevant.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
My point is I dislike Americans, or people who spell words with U.S adaptations/options who nitpick my English spelling.
That's not what you said...
"I really dislike American spellings "I then elaborated, which you fully well know. I personally prefer realise, because I think it 'looks nicer' - Not that this actually has any point. I distinguish 'realise' and 'realize' by 'realize' being used much more commonly in America than where I live, at this point in time. Your quotes from 1661 don't really hold much ground in 2010.
And I'm telling you that you're generalization of "American" English is incorrect. American English only accepts
-ize
, yes. But both
-ize
and
-ise
are both completely correct in British English.
Okay, every source is written from
someone's
point of view - Agreed? Therefore, the source itself is likely to be reflective of the author's point of view.
You have two incorrect assumptions here:
(1) No, I -- and
others
-- write plenty of things that are not from our own point of view.If I had said 'from the author's point of view' - Your point would actually be relevant.
I bolded the key word in my reply.
And my point still holds.
1 + 1 = 2.
African Americans are a minority in the US.
Sand paper is good for smoothing surfaces.
Post by
Patty
And I'm telling you that you're generalization of "American" English is incorrect. American English only accepts
-ize
, yes. But both
-ize
and
-ise
are both completely correct in British English. Which I am fully aware of. However, the generalisation of weight being mass is also incorrect. Every time someone calls mass "weight" - Do you pick that up and disprove them too? As I have stated throughout, I am only recalling my own personal experiences of which suffix is used more.
Okay, every source is written from
someone's
point of view - Agreed? Therefore, the source itself is likely to be reflective of the author's point of view.
You have two incorrect assumptions here:
(1) No, I -- and
others
-- write plenty of things that are not from
our own
point of view.If I had said 'from the author's point of view' - Your point would actually be relevant.
I bolded the key word in my reply.Me too.
1 + 1 = 2.That's not an opinion.
African Americans are a minority in the US.Again, facts are not opinions.
Sand paper is good for smoothing surfaces.See above.
Post by
178827
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Every time someone calls mass "weight" - Do you pick that up and disprove them too?
Yes, I do.
That's not an opinion.
That's not the issue. You need to keep up the withe argument.
Look back to what I was adding to with those examples...
"No, I -- and others -- write plenty of things that are not from our own point of view."
PoV. None of those things are written
from
my PoV. Notice, the word
opinion
doesn't occur in this premise.
Whoa Hyper - you took the whole "Americans can't write" kind of personal.
Yes, I did. America has produced some of the best literature and writings of the last hundred years.
And stereotypes shouldn't be taken personally, even if one's a great patriot. If you tell me Romanians are filthy, I'm not gonna boil up & all.
Besides, I'm not Romanian, and I do kind of agree with the 'filthy' thing :P
Oh, come on...you essentially just said stereotypes aren't bad because I use them.
Post by
HiVolt
Hark! Come and know ye, that Americans are devoid of linguistic aptitude!
Wherefore didst thou come, oh idiocy?
Wherefore hast thou broken our minds with thy bureaucracy?
Whither dost thou rest in thine eternal slumber, oh genius?
Bring forth thy light once again!
Bring forth thine light and let shimmer upon our visage, oh genius!
We long to look again upon thy beauty!
We are wont to bask in thy glory and shout, our voices filled with joy!
But lo, we are mere mice to wish this of thee.
Idiocy! Take thy dagger and plunge it to the depths of our souls!
All is lost!
Post by
Orranis
And I'm telling you that you're generalization of "American" English is incorrect. American English only accepts
-ize
, yes. But both
-ize
and
-ise
are both completely correct in British English. Which I am fully aware of. However, the generalisation of weight being mass is also incorrect. Every time someone calls mass "weight" - Do you pick that up and disprove them too? As I have stated throughout, I am only recalling my own personal experiences of which suffix is used more.
Okay, every source is written from
someone's
point of view - Agreed? Therefore, the source itself is likely to be reflective of the author's point of view.
You have two incorrect assumptions here:
(1) No, I -- and
others
-- write plenty of things that are not from
our own
point of view.If I had said 'from the author's point of view' - Your point would actually be relevant.
I bolded the key word in my reply.Me too.
1 + 1 = 2.That's not an opinion.
African Americans are a minority in the US.Again, facts are not opinions.
Sand paper is good for smoothing surfaces.See above.
I'm just going to be 'that guy' right now. Being that it is logically impossible to prove anything with 100% certainty, 1 + 1 = 2 could be viewed as an opinion, however is is
accepted
as fact.
Also, sand paper is good for smoothing surfaces is an opinion, someone might have tried it and failed horribly, so they think that it is terrible for smoothing surfaces.
Post by
Orranis
Hark! Come and know ye, that Americans are devoid of linguistic aptitude!
Wherefore didst thou come, oh idiocy?
Wherefore hast thou broken our minds with thy bureaucracy?
Whither dost thou rest in thine eternal slumber, oh genius?
Bring forth thy light once again!
Bring forth thine light and let shimmer upon our visage, oh genius!
We long to look again upon thy beauty!
We are wont to bask in thy glory and shout, our voices filled with joy!
But lo, we are mere mice to wish this of thee.
Idiocy! Take thy dagger and plunge it to the depths of our souls!
All is lost!
That last sentence was a fragment ;D
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
That last sentence was a fragment ;D
Subject = All
Predicate = is
Predicate nominative = lost
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