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taurenmoo812
In the same thread though; Thrall is too perfect, he just so perfect it's boring. I like that he's heading north to fight the Firelord and bringing back his actual Lore-bad assary instead of sitting on said ass in Orgrimmar all day long.
No he isn't. He's an amazing leader, but stuff like allowing Varimathras to sit around in UC shows he has flaws. His willingness to accept people, and give them a chance, can come out as a weakness sometimes. He's more active and interesting than most of the other racial leads. When was the last time you saw Tyrande leave Teldrasil?
He's the greatest leader the horde have, end of. And what makes him a greater character is because well he strives for the best for his people, he does make mistakes like anyone else would, so it doesn't cast him as being ultra perfect. He also trys to correct those mistakes like anyone with a moral code would.
People quick to flame his actions because of those mistakes are just the desperate sort of people who want to paint him in a bad light, rather then notice what good he's done. Everyone warcraft character makes those kind of mistakes, and just because there in a position of power doesn't make it less so.
Tyrande - trusting illidan
Magni - not dealing with the dark iron dwarves and there 'god'
Varian - wanting bloodshed on the horde regardless of the cost
Velen - bringing his people to draenor and ultimately leading to the corruption of the orcs
And if you dare correct these facts I'll come back with even more to point why these characters are just as responsible for making things worse.
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Barkend
Tyrande - trusting illidan
Magni - not dealing with the dark iron dwarves and there 'god'
Varian - wanting bloodshed on the horde regardless of the cost
Velen - bringing his people to draenor and ultimately leading to the corruption of the orcs
What about Mekkatorque? He is the big responsible of... hmm... I'll remember something important about him, just wait...
Talking about Gnomes, the Alliance will retake Gnomeregan. It's better than nothing.
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Adamsm
Velen - bringing his people to draenor and ultimately leading to the corruption of the orcsThey didn't 'bring' their people to Draenor, the crystal ship Oshu'gun crashed landed on the world; and as said in another thread... the Legion would have found Draenor eventually more then likely: only this time, there would have been no redemption for the Orcs as they would be members of the Legion instead of being used and discarded.
When was the last time you saw Tyrande leave Teldrasil?That's exactly my point; as it stands right now, there is only 2 leaders of the Alliance and the Horde, Thrall and Varian, and even then, beyond the Battle for the Undercity, they don't do anything. I'm hoping in Cata we will see more of the bad arse Tyrande, the one who lead her people in WC3 instead of the little 'save me' thing that Knaak made for War of the Ancients.
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FarseerLolotea
ZNORKEL = Delmarus Alt #9002? He's sure
sounding
a lot like it already...
But on a more relevant note: They didn't 'bring' their people to Draenor, the crystal ship Oshu'gun crashed landed on the world; and as said in another thread... the Legion would have found Draenor eventually more then likely: only this time, there would have been no redemption for the Orcs as they would be members of the Legion instead of being used and discarded.This.
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Adamsm
as much as i like thrall...
i want war.
i want revenge.
i want violence.
i want a leader who will lead us into battle with fervor.
i want to bathe in alliance blood.
gromm will be my leader.
for the horde.
Not going to happen as Grom is dead.
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In the same thread though; Thrall is too perfect, he just so perfect it's boring.
But Mr. Adams, if Thrall is too perfect to the point where its boring, then how on earth could you like Velen or the Draenei?
Because the Prophet and the Draenei are a race meant to be neutral, focused on the real threats; Thrall though, is part of a warrior race but because he's more focused on the politic side he's neglecting his own people, which is why Garrosh is gaining ground among the more aggressive members of the Horde.
Velen isn't perfect, not the way Blizzard currently has Thrall is.
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FarseerLolotea
Just a note, Lolotea - I'm not Delmarus. That idiot is a troll, I'm just outspoken.Okay. But when you start calling people "Horde fanboys" and telling them to leave the forums a day after joining, it looks a bit suspicious. Horde Races:
Orc
Tauren
Blood Elf
Goblin
Alliance Races:
Human
Dwarf
Night Elf
Furbolg
Furbolgs in my opinion would have made alot more sense lorewise, since there are alliance friendly furbolgs in hyjal correct? And gnomes just don't seem right.
Trolls also shouldn't have been playable, they hate all races, and they're incredibly primitive. Like the gnomes, they were last minute ideas.While I can certainly support furbolgs over gnomes and goblins over undead...I cannot support blood elves over trolls.
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but also because I see less lore reasoning for trolls to be on the horde, sadly, then blood elves.Thrall saved the Trolls? But yeah, the Blood Elf thing makes no sense heh; at one point, no faction trusted the Blood Elves including the Forsaken.
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