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Post by
Rankkor
where as far as I know Garrosh is no where to be found coincidence I think not
maybe this is true, or maybe it's not, is too early to say this...
there are still 5 more boss fights to be unlocked, who's to say thrall sylvannas and garrosh won't show up on at least one of them?
after all 5 bosses from ICC are unlocked, we can draw our conclutions, but as long as ICC remains uncomplete, it's counterproducent to draw this kind of conclutions.
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138638
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Post by
Rankkor
fair enough
but I don't find Garrosh jsut showing up out of the blue logical I don't have a Horde but is he involved in ICC in anyway does he show up for the beginning of the thing where the vendors are or is he even in pit of saron and those heroics
just because they don't show up on the beggining doesn't mean they won't show up at the end....
on the sunwell, neither velen nor liandrin show up at the start, but they make an aswesome appereance at the end.
same can apply to thrall garrosh and even sylvannas.
this is not blind bias, this is simple logic, there are still 5 more encounters to be unlocked, and untill we've seen them all we can't say "they WILL NOT show up"
at best we can say, "maybe they will show up, or maybe they wont".
and it will remain that way till these encounters are unlocked and beated......
Post by
taurenmoo812
I have been thinking about this thread, and all the other stupid crap Taruen has been making, for the past 14 hours since I left it, and I just wanted to say to Adams, HiV0LT4G3, Skreeran, Argentsun, Sigmafel, Patty, Muscleman, Delterius, Faceshield, Gumballs, Morec, Interest, and anyone else jsut looking at this that I am very sorry for dragging myself down to Taruen and Rankkorr's level. I just don't care about this crap anymore. Its the same thing everytime, and those guys arent any where close to looking at other people's opinions. If they want to blog about thier biased thrash, then let them. I don't care anymore. I am sorry that this thread turned out like how it did.
No your not. It turned into a spam fest because you came into it with your trolling.
This started off as a well meaning thread, and then you came into it, and boom, flame war began.
And trying to turn your faults back on others and wash your hands of it doesn't make it less so.
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306612
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Post by
taurenmoo812
this dind't stopped varian from acting like a jerk wihtout a need to do so on the argent tournament, where when he's greeted by tirion, no horde insults him and he still calls us animals and dirt.Well, can't expect someone to turn around overnight can you? I've said before, while I'm fond of Varian, and I do like the King, I don't like the rage-aholic bigoted version of him we have up until ICC. That is the start of his turn around, I'm hoping Garrosh get's one as well in the lead up to Cataclysm.
They messed it up, I don't disagree, but it takes too sides to fight; Garrosh made it clear at the Summit what he thinks of the Alliance, and he does the same all through the Tourney.
My biggest problem right now is that they've shown no indication that Garrosh will be getting one. Varian's "rawr" was so out there that it had to be changed. With Garrosh?
Don't think that's gonna happen :(
And I'm actully hoping it doesn't. If Garrosh takes control of the horde, and acts the same as he is now, then it would lead to no other cause but to put him down for good. And thats something I could happily live with, I don't care whos son he is.
Post by
Adamsm
My biggest problem right now is that they've shown no indication that Garrosh will be getting one. Varian's "rawr" was so out there that it had to be changed. With Garrosh?
Don't think that's gonna happen :(
Still time to go before Cata, I don't think we're going to see a change in Garrosh before that point, as he has no part of ICC.
Post by
Rankkor
Don't think that's gonna happen :(
theoretically, I don't think it's gonna happen either, seeing the few cata-garrosh desitions we do know for a fact (send the forsaken to atack the worgen, evict non-orcs and non-taurens from org, and the rumored assasination of cairne) it's hard to believe he's gonna be made a more likeable orc.
but not 1 but 2 blue posts clearly said that the Overlord Garrosh Hellscream we know today =/= warchief Garrosh, of cataclysm.......
it's not in their best interest to LIE to the customers, if they said he's gonna change, if they said the horde won't be demonized to be the bad guys, if they said that the honor of the horde will be kept intact, if they said that they know stuff we don't and as such we should have faith in them....
the faith in them we should have.......
personally i believe what I can see, and while I see a total jerk on garrosh, I also saw a promise by the devs to make him an orc worthy of the title of Warchief......
Edit: I don't think we're going to see a change in Garrosh before that point, as he has no part of ICC U can't say that yet, read my post above, there are still 5 more bosses to go, who's to say he's not gonna show up on 1 of them?
its too early to say who's gonna show and who's not gonna show up on ICC........
after all we don't see a trace of velen and Liandrin on the sunwell at the beggining, and it's only after the last boss that both show up there.
for now we have seen no trace of thrall or garrosh or sylvannas in ICC (then again they sent saurfang, he alone counts as a billion horde soldiers) but that doesn't mean they will never show up......
for now the only thing we can say is "maybe they will show up, maybe they wont'"
Post by
taurenmoo812
personally i believe what I can see, and while I see a total jerk on garrosh, I also saw a promise by the devs to make him an orc worthy of the title of Warchief......
He doesn't deserve it though. Don't you agree with this Rankkorr? He has none of Thralls facilities, none of his wisdom and insight, and he's been through no hardship or lose.
All he has done it sulked in nagrand for decades, and then acts like a screaming child on a suger intake when thrall offers him insight to his father.
The very fact that this
thug
will come and take the place of the greatest orc, hell, greatest character in warcraft, makes me want to take still lit cigarettes and twist them in the writers ears.
But I'm just gonna have to hold my breath and hope to god they don't just pass of my hero as just some random npc in an encounter, or worse.
Post by
Rankkor
He doesn't deserve it though
you bet your ass he doesn't deserves it bro 'xD I agree 100% on that....
frankly the only orc I see remotely close to be a worthy warchief is drektar.....
dunno, but to me the leader of the horde MUST be a shaman, after all shamans have the guidance of the spirits and are wise and smarter than the average joe....
just look at farseer nobundo, he became like a billion times wiser and nobler after passing all those hard times and eventually becoming a shaman....
there's something about shamanism that brings out the best in some, (like drektar and thrall) and the worst in others (magatha and ner'zul)
garrosh doesn't deserve all the glory he's been given, but it's blizzard's right to give him that glory, and we're only suposed to either accept it or reject it.....
I hope they DO know what they're doing, otherwise they could very much stirr up the hornet's nest....
not for nothing some of the best guilds (as well as the largest amount of players) is horde, it's not wise to make us angry....
last time someone made us angry we almost wiped out the eastern kingdoms :P
Post by
Adamsm
(magatha and Gul'dan) Fix'd. Ner'zhul wasn't as bad as his apprentice was.
But... Doomhammer wasn't a shaman, and he almost conquerored Azeroth, so being a Shaman isn't needed, it's a good buffer to make sure your not going to do something incredibly idiotic, but if you have shamans are your side, you don't need to be one. And I know you two don't like hearing it, but while Thrall is a great warchief, he did make few large mistakes(points at the topic name), so he's not 'perfect' not anymore then any other leader on Azeroth.
Post by
Rankkor
(magatha and Gul'dan) Fix'd. Ner'zhul wasn't as bad as his apprentice was.
But... Doomhammer wasn't a shaman, and he almost conquerored Azeroth, so being a Shaman isn't needed, it's a good buffer to make sure your not going to do something incredibly idiotic, but if you have shamans are your side, you don't need to be one. And I know you two don't like hearing it, but while Thrall is a great warchief, he did make few large mistakes(points at the topic name), so he's not 'perfect' not anymore then any other leader on Azeroth.
main diference from thrall to other leaders: when he makes a mistake he fixes it.
see? he made a mistake in trusting the RAS, how did he fixed it? placing the whole group under house arrest, and putting the UC under martial law, keeping a close eye on the forsaken to make sure the wrathgate never happens again.....
thrall has made several mistakes, but you NEVER see him turn a blind eye on those mistakes, whenever he drops the ball, he quickly picks it up....
the main reason I like thrall though is because he's not as arrogant as to assume he knows everything....
like varian when he thinks he knows more than the dragon-aspects, the elements, the spirits of the world, the naaru, and the light itself, about wheter or not orcs are still to be put to prison or execution for their past crimes.....
or like garrosh who thinks he knows more about what is best for the horde but get's easily beated up in logic by a 12 year old boy (who happens to be a GENIUS)
thrall can admit when he doesn't know and he places his trust on others, wich is the mark of a true leader.
when was the last time U saw varian or garrosh listen to advice? saurfang tried to give advice to garrosh and was dismissed.
jaina has tried to give advice to varian so many times she's not even trying anymore.....
admiting "I don't know" is one of the first steps to true wisdom.
pretending you got all the answers is a rather childish attitude to take...
Post by
Adamsm
like varian when he thinks he knows more than the dragon-aspects, the elements, the spirits of the world, the naaru, and the light itself, about wheter or not orcs are still to be put to prison or execution for their past crimes.....
jaina has tried to give advice to varian so many times she's not even trying anymore.....
He is changing though.
thrall has made several mistakes, but you NEVER see him turn a blind eye on those mistakes, whenever he drops the ball, he quickly picks it up....Same for Magni, Velen and Malfurion though(can't really say Tyrande... she's still pretty brutal after all).
I know it's not liked... but I have to admit, I prefer what Garrosh is doing in Cata involving the Undercity over what Thrall does; just sending the Guards to watch them. Garrosh is putting an actual outpost out front of the city, making sure if something happens like the Wrathgate(or any type of uprising) they can get their forces in before the demons/rogues/what have you get a toe hold.
Post by
Rankkor
Same for Magni, Velen and Malfurion though(can't really say Tyrande... she's still pretty brutal after all).
hey I admire malfurion like you have no idea, he's my second favorite character on the game, and my admiration for velen has already been stated several times.....
as for magni, jeez, I don't have anything against him, but I frankly know jack about him so I can't really draw rational conclutions about him...
as for tyrande, she's never seemed to me like the fixer..
I mean she freed Illidan, but then let him get away, and played no part to fix all the pain and misery he brought to outland......
it's almost like there's 2 tyrandes on this game...
the sweet yuna-like angel from War of the ancients and the cold-hearted b1tch we saw on war3 and frozen throne....
Post by
Adamsm
I prefer the Second one myself; the War of the Ancient one got on my nerves.. a lot.
Post by
Rankkor
I dunno why everyone hates that book so much LOL xD
I mean yhea it's sueish like there's no tomorrow on the horizon, but its an enjoyable read....
and yhea, the second tyrande is kinda the original, as the kanaak-tyrande is almost like a rip-off from Yuna (protagonist of Final Fantasy X and X-2)
Post by
Adamsm
I dunno why everyone hates that book so much LOL xD
I mean yhea it's sueish like there's no tomorrow on the horizon, but its an enjoyable read....
and yhea, the second tyrande is kinda the original, as the kanaak-tyrande is almost like a rip-off from Yuna (protagonist of Final Fantasy X and X-2)
Nah, Yuna fights for herself.... Tyrande seemed more willing to let others save her.... Knaak really screwed up the character with that one.
Post by
ArgentSun
Dear Gods,
stop it
! Look at yourselves! You should be ashamed of all this, I swear...
I have Adamsm, Patty, occasionally Interest, and Skreeran going "Stop fighting" every 5 posts. Helped a lot, it really did...
Then we have rankkorr, darkton, and taurenmoo (the first two mostly) ready to kill people,
because Sylvanas Windrinner,
the Banshee Queen who wishes to destroy all life on Azeroth
, might have killed a human teenager
. Really, guys?
Really
? Is this way 7 out of the 9 pages of this thread are off-topic?
I have sent some emails to some of you - and let me tell you, the number of times I've had to talk to users "personally" are less than the fingers on my right hand. I am in no position to judge anyone, but look at yourselves - fighting over the
unconfirmed
actions of a
fictional
character, whose
hypothetical
personality is in sync with those actions.
I tried warning you. I tried talking with your privately (check your emails!). I tried deleting your fights. I tried locking some threads. None of those things seem to help, so I will be very very blunt - I am going to have to bring some (temporary) bans to this forum. I would hate to do it, and in the two years I've been in Wowhead, there have been only two users I have personally wished banned, rule-breakers excluded. Don't make me add names to this list - I like it short.
On a side note, apparently topics like Varian, Garrosh, Alliance-Horde relationships, Sylvanas, the Royal Apothecary Society, and anything related to the Forsaken are
very
tricky ones. If I were you, I would try to talk about something else for a little while. Just an advice.
P.S. Taurenmoo, sorry for locking your thread. Its not the idea that's bad, it's the derailing.
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