This site makes extensive use of JavaScript.
Please enable JavaScript in your browser.
Live
PTR
10.2.7
PTR
10.2.6
Beta
PVE Fury VS. Arms / Str Gems VS. ArP
Post Reply
Return to board index
Post by
243281
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
104767
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
243281
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
344052
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Porcell
Arms gem ArP because they get a free 10% from Battle Stance. The closer you get to 100% ArP, the better it is. Fury generally gems for Strength, since Imp Zerker Stance talent increases Strength by another 20%.
Bloodsurge is your HS, BT, and WW hits have a 20% chance to proc an instant slam; it's not based on crit. The only reason Fury would gem for crit at all would be to keep Flurry up. That said, you shouldn't gem for Crit unless you have a yellow socket with a strength socket bonus, then it would be okay.
The requirement before you switch to Fury would be to have two good two-handed weapons, 5%+ hit, and 26 Expertise from gear. If you don't have that, it would be better to stick with Arms (assuming you are using an Axe).
Post by
318373
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
99345
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Docholiday77
So much bad information in this thread...
@sourceofevil
As a fury, I personally despise gemming for ArP, I prefer to get it passively through gear. A +20 Str gem is worth 48 AP to a fury warrior, a +20 ArP gem simply dosen't measure up to that unless you have A TON of passive ArP.....I'm talking far past the soft ArP cap.
Wrong. It is no where close to that. In fact at around ~38% arp from gear, arp will start to be worth more then strength. Do you even know what the soft cap is?
@durzog
My personal belief is that arms warriors should strive to reach a goal of 80% static arpen(going past is a waste if you have a warrior tank in a raid). After 80% static arpen is reached, strength until your eyes bleed. All of arms attacks are based off weapon damage (which means character sheet damage).
Having a prot warrior in your group has nothing to do with armorpen...Try doing some research on the topic.
@OP
Use the spreadsheet to see what your sep is, and go off that.
Post by
pak52b
To be honest, weapon dmg is a little overrated for Fury...it's FAR more important to Arms dps...
that is one thing i dont really understand to be honest. as a fury warrior, i really notice the difference between having a crappy mainhand weapon, and one that does more damage.
for fury, there are three attacks (at least that i can think of here at work) that are based soley on attack power
1. bloodthirst 2. execute 3. victory rush (not really used often in raids)
heroic strike, slam, whirlwind, deep wounds (percentage), and white hits, are based on weapon damage (+ stats)
arms, on the other hand, uses execute, and the possible victory rush, which wont be counted for either spec.
slam, mortal strike, overpower, bladestorm, white attacks, rend (percentage), and deep wounds (percentage) are based on wep damage. granted, the ratio compared to AP scaling attacks is much higher, and i definately see how important weapon damage is to these attacks.
I'm leaning a bit out of the window by saying this, but, as slam pauses the swing timer (no white hit will happen in that time, granted, slam is more a filler, but still.. ), and furys hits are a bit more faced paced (constant HS spam), i would almost say that the two specs are at lease pretty close to each other.
(im only considering single target dps - if cleave+WW vs SS+Bladestorm is considered, i think fury would profit more from a better wep).
so, my two cents from work - i dont have combat logs to parse here or anything, so dont lynch me or anything.
Post by
243281
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Docholiday77
For the most part. Of course having 100% arp is the goal, but that doesnt necessarily mean you should gem for it. As i said before, it really depends on YOUR gear, not someone elses, not some blanket statement(ie gemz arp at 35% ect)
You are correct about the sunder armor.
Post by
99345
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Docholiday77
Having a prot warrior in your group has nothing to do with armorpen...Try doing some research on the topic.
So. You're telling me you should not take into account 20% armor reduction from prot warriors into account considering there will generally always be a prot warrior in a raid, and you are wasting stat points by going over the 80% arpen bonus?
What you're striving for is the best possible benefit, yes arpen will take over in precedence over strength at certain levels, but I would never gem arpen as fury, it's just not beneficial.
Yes, thats EXACTLY what im telling you. Sunder armor has nothing to do with armor pen. The op stated it correctly. Arp will take the bosses armor AFTER raid debuffs are applied.
This means that there are two categories: Personal, and Debuff.
The only thing that cuts into the 100% that you need from gear/trinket are:
Battle stance
Mace Spec
Tier9 2 piece bonus
Read this thread
Post by
137710
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
99345
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Docholiday77
Well, maybe you should look at some of the top fury warriors and see what they are socketing. Because its arp. Or maybe you should open the spreadsheet up some time. Again, at a certain level, armor pen is worth more to you then strength as fury. That is a FACT. No one cares about your opinion. Stop making up BS on the forums, or GTFO. Im not debating this issue with you. You were wrong, still are wrong, and now you are making up $%^& trying to make yourself not look so stupid. So please stop. You dont want to go down this road with me son.
Post by
99345
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Docholiday77
Please then, explain with math, why you should only go to 80% armor pen. Explain with math, why fury should never gem arp. Please enlighten us all...
And i never said anything about starting with me. I said dont go down this road. Meaning, Dont make me break it down barney style to you because you are too lazy to look things up yourself. I told you that you were wrong, and you are, then you try to justify it with bogus numbers that make no sense...
Post by
Rubendesmet619
Lol.
Let's cut the bullcrap shal we?
My raid used 3 DPS warriors on the 4th bos in ICC25.
My clasleader had the Ilv258 weapon from champions+the TOGC10 weapon(245 axe from chest)
Another warrior, arms this time also uses the ToGC25 weapon.
I personaly(fury) uses 2x the ToGC10 agilityweapons(looks awsome on the back).
Our gear was pretty equal, mainly Ilv245 gear.
We did 2 tries on him(second try he was killed, first try he went below 5% but then sombody died, sigh)
6/6 times we al 3 had between 7000 and 7500 DPS.
This makes me truely believe you better pick whatever you want based on playstyle tbh.
About ArP/strength gemming, there's no way we can tell you without al the information of your gear, best advice I can give you is using a spreadsheet.
1ArP is about 1.0054 strength got me atm...sticking to strength though eventhough 4ArP gems woulds get me nicely softcapped.
The decission of what you gem for might give you a 5DPS boost as fury, stop whining about it.
And yes, every geared furywarrior gems ArP ofcourse(the more strength you have the les it's worth, the more ArP you have the more it's worth).
My upgrades wil be gemmed with ArP.
Post by
243281
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post Reply
You are not logged in. Please
log in
to post a reply or
register
if you don't already have an account.
