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HPS, Overhealing & OOM
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Post by
karlusdavius
1. HPS is the healing per second over a prolonged period of time, that a hearer has done. So yes, if they go all out and go OOM mid fight, there average HPS will be lower. HPS is kind of the same as DPS, however HPS nowadays isn't really important (see example: Discipline Priest/
Healer per Second thread
) If you have high HPS without going OOM, great, but it's not like you should be contending for the number one spot on recount in healing done, that leads to sloppy manegment and will probably end you up OOM
2. Yes, another reason to overheal is a fight mechanic for example:
Incinerate Flesh
Burns the flesh off your bones! Absorbs the next X healing received and decreases damage dealt by 50% for 12 sec. If Incinerate Flesh is not removed before it expires it will cause a Burning Inferno, dealing 2500 Fire damage per second for 5 seconds to all raid members.
Randomly, a raid member gets Incinerate Flesh. This debuff absorbs all healing on that target, until a certain amount of healing has been done (10-man: 30,000; 10-heroic: 40,000; 25-man: 60,000; 25-heroic: 85,000). Healers need to react quickly - if the debuff wears off the target causes a Burning Inferno to hit the entire raid causing large amounts of damage.
Could there not be another reason for overhealing, ie if the priest is targeting the wrong party members?
Yes, the amount of times i've done that is.....shock!
Post by
MegaVolt
I have two questions:-
1. Does HPS work the same with healers as DPS with dpsers? For clarification, I also have a lock and mage and I've seen how it's possible for my mage to maximise her burst damage in order to apparently have a high DPS, while my lock, with her constant tics, experiences a lower DPS. Reason I'm asking is that I've noticed some healers, with very high HPS, often running oom in the middle of a fight and then just standing there, so I'm wondering if HPS is being calculated on the basis of casts made rather than fight time overall.
2. Regards overhealing, picking out a quote:-
The only time it is ever relevant to look at Overhealing is when you're OOMing. Fact.
Could there not be another reason for overhealing, ie if the priest is targeting the wrong party members? For example, in a PuG raid for Ony25, enough healing was being delivered yet folks - who were avoiding AOE damage - were dying. The overhealing was off the charts.
Regs
The HPS that Recount will display work exactly as the DPS display. But the HPS display in Recount isn't overly important, just as the DPS display. The damage done tab is the one you want to look at and the same goes for healing, the healing done when looking at Recount is more important then the HPS.
When talking about spells there is another important value, its the healing done per time spent casting, meaning the theoretical maximum hps of a spell. Just notice that this is different from what Recount will show.
That quote is bull@#$%. Again it is only recount centered. Yes, when looking at the overheal tab in Recount then this one doesn't really matter as long as you don't go OOM and as long as the healing done is high enough.
But your example is spot on: If someone is healing the wrong people then his healing done will be low because of his tendency to overheal. Overhealing when he could instead do effective healing is bad.
It's just that some people are so focused on Recount that they don't even care to think that the terms hps and overheal also exist outside of the respective tabs in that addon.
Post by
karlusdavius
another reason i've noticed for healing the wrong target is that (and bare with the lingo) They might be healing the right target at the right time but arn't using things like clique and grid.
I use a Steelseries gaming mouse with clique and grid, so my heals come out as faster as i can point and click. Some people don't have that luxuary and therefore, see a target low, move the mouse, press the spell button. By the time thats all done 2 others have probabaly already started to cast and will finish that cast mid way through his.
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Post by
dhampir1989
yet folks - who were avoiding AOE damage - were dying.
What was killing them?
My throwaway comment about overheals draining health was right!
Seriously, on Ony, its probably fireballs in P2 or stray whelps.
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Post by
dhampir1989
Mega, you seem to be saying completely the opposite of what Karl's stated.
This is completely normal, Mega is an even worse troll than me when Im bladdered.
Karl is right.
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karlusdavius
Mega, you seem to be saying completely the opposite of what Karl's stated.
This is completely normal, Mega is an even worse troll than me when Im bladdered.
Karl is right.
i like you
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312967
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karlusdavius
lol, bladdered, now, don't, i'll go all brummie on you.
your a brummie?
Post by
MegaVolt
Mega, you seem to be saying completely the opposite of what Karl's stated. If Recount - which I wasn't particularly talking about - works exactly the same with HPS as DPS then any healer who is inactive for a while will find their clock has stopped ticking and their HPS is 'protected'.
That is correct. I said the exact opposite of what Karl stated. When you stop healing then your HPS will in fact be "protected"
You then seem to contradict yourself:-
When talking about spells there is another important value, its the healing done per time spent casting, meaning the theoretical maximum hps of a spell. Just notice that this is different from what Recount will show.
No, I am not contradicting myself. This "theoretical maximum hps" I am talking about has nothing to do with Recount at all. It does not have a tab to display. It is a purely theorycrafting term.
Let's say a spell heals for 20k and has a cast time of 2s.
Then this spells maximum theoretical HPS is 10k. Recount just doesn't matter for that. The term "HPS" is still accurate to descripe this but Recount is completely irrelevant for that. Since Recount has nothing to do with this use of "HPS" it is impossible to be contradicting my previous statement about Recount.
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karlusdavius
lol, bladdered, now, don't, i'll go all brummie on you.
your a brummie?
yes, villa, holte end, pork and stuffing sarnies down by the rag market, that sort of thing ... i left 15 years ago though, but don't hold that against me :)
yow from yam yam land or sumthink?
Yam! Sutton, just up the road haha
Post by
Kataly
a disc priest lower than a holy priest *A disc priest lower than every other healer on the healing done tab.
...Until you add recount's absorb meter. n_n
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Post by
ande9249
I fear this is actually food for a separate thread, but the question is burning in my mind:
paly is obviously holy for your healing group, and the shaman is resto sure
but IS there a difference in the two druids?
Is one of the priests Disc? and does that mean that some of the groups are getting shielded while the others arent?
if it was two holy's, no issue, your right, and no steping on toes....its just that disc seems to meddle stuff up....i suppose the only real change is in the "secondary" responsibility of the druid2 from "tank/ OT" to "raid" while the disc goes from "raid" to "disc/OT" but anyways....not important, just wanted to ask.
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