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Glyph of Lava or stay with Wrath, is it time?
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Gnub
In order to be completely sure, I'd probably wait till you get the Tier 9 (20% bonus damage) or 10 (-1.5 sec cooldown) bonuses that affects Lava Burst - that should remove all doubt. :)
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Sihmm
My maths suggests that the break even point is closer to 4k spellpower with 4t9, but I could be wrong. *shrug* Remember though that ToW affects all your spells as well as fire totems, so if you're using searing/magma a lot it'll almost certainly be better to stay with ToW. Conversely, Lava looks better if you raid without some haste/crit buffs or have a high ratio of Lava Burst to other spells (such as at low haste values or with very high latency/low framerate).
The difference is so miniscule that encounter dynamics and playstyle should factor into your decision more than precise spellpower thresholds.
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frmorrison
Is it too much to ask for both?
Yes, because there are better glyphs (Lightning Bolt and Flame Shock), so the 3rd is up for grabs (Lava or ToW).
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Hennix
I'm pretty slow minded atm, but how does Glyph of wrath works ? :P
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Sihmm
Plz someone tell me why FS is so much better and post some numbers to prove it.
A very little bit of research would give you those numbers without having to ask anybody, and would allow you to investigate the question that you ask on your own terms. Asking that we "post some numbers to prove it" is basically saying "I can't be bothered to generate my own numbers" while also implying that you don't trust the opinions of the members of this forum. If this is not your intent, be aware that it
is
how you come across (at least it is to me), and it is not endearing.
Anyway, about your glyphs.
Out of all our DPS spells, Lava Burst benefits least from raid buffs because it doesn't react to crit at all. Lightning Bolt, OTOH, benefits most because it constitutes the bulk of our damage - over 70% in a Patchwerk-style fight at current gear levels. Thus, Glyph of LB will always be our best DPS glyph as it's a 4% increase to 70% of our damage. At current gear levels that can be well over 200 DPS.
Flame Shock is next best because it allows Flame Shock to scale with crit, and crit is where we get the highest amount of buffs in a raid. Flame Shock's DoT accounts for about 5% of our DPS with no glyph (more in fights with heavy movement), and the glyph will increase damage by a little more than your crit chance. If you've got a 50% crit chance you'll be increasing your DPS by well over 2.5%, which could be another 160+ DPS. And unlike LB, Flame Shock continues to tick even when you're moving, so it's a very robust glyph choice.
ToW is next best because its 84 spellpower affects all our spells and can be worth about 150 DPS.
Lava can be slightly better than ToW once you have 4t9 and are approaching 4k total spellpower, but Lava Burst by that point only accounts for about 18% of our DPS - so the glyph only boosts our total DPS by about 1%. It's clearly and decisively worse than LB or FS glyphs for most fights, only moving ahead when targets are dying too fast for FS to finish ticking (trash) or when you are casting a dramatically reduced number of LBs (as in, less than half of a normal rotation, while still casting LvB every cooldown).
Overall the difference is not large (50-100 DPS) enough to see on a target dummy, and is barely large enough to see on a log of a boss fight. Hence, maths.
If you want more detailed numbers, you can use a spreadsheet as linked in the elemental shaman stickies.
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Gnub
I will search the other shammy ele threads for the spreadsheet.
Just look at Sihmm's signature, right above your post :)
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