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Post by
TheMediator
A story has a protagonist and an antagonist, and some sort of conflict between them, along with other side characters. It has rising action, a climax, and resolution.
So the Burning Legion is just a bunch of Care-bears?
Just 'cause we haven't seen an "ultimate resolution" (ie - Everything is fine with everyone, no more conflict.) doesn't mean it will never happen. But we do see the mini-storylines being resolved!
The Burning Legion story wasn't too developed. They just wanted to kick ass. The story only got really fleshed out with the Sunwell, with Kael'thas wanting to summon Kil'jaeden into the world, so that they could kick ass. The Illidan story has some development but really not much initially. There's an event where you just kick ass and then Illidan says "I will kill you", and later a questline was added where you infiltrate his drakeriders, and he says "I will kill you", and then you escape. Teron Gorefiend's story is really the rock bottom bare minimum story a story character should have, yet some villains have even less than that. Also, developing a character in other media DOES NOT COUNT AS STORY.
@TheMediator: I'd say that really depends on the point of view. Are you a major character inside the plot? No, you are not. You are one of the Heroes that help the main character, that woudl be Thrall, Sylvanas and all the other faction leaders. And WoW do have a huge and rich lore by far better than any other MMO out there. I think you haveto see WoW a bit differently than most RPG we're used to. I see it like this: I'm not in a D&D campaign where my characters group are the protagonist, why? Because you just can't make a story where each of the 10 million WoW players feel like they're the protagonists, but you can surely build an army of 10 million players and that army will make that big difference.
Right, but in a role-playing game, the story centers on your character. Being part of a bigger picture doesn't change that fact. The bigger picture might develop your story some, but it is still your story.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Hyperspace, you're arguing whether or not an RPG is an RPG.
I'm arguing that hack and slash games are not rpgs. Yes, they take certain things from the rpg genera, but what they don't take (as is the case with Diablo) is the role-play part.
Fine, but as I said before, we were talking about all their games, not just RPGs, so bringing RPGs up in the first place was unnecessary.
You completely missed my point, that you can't compare games in different genres like that.
Post by
TheMediator
I'm arguing that hack and slash games are not rpgs. Yes, they take certain things from the rpg genera, but what they don't take (as is the case with Diablo) is the role-play part.
You play as a character in a story.
The game uses skills and stats to determine how successful actions are.
That's an RPG. Diablo meets that criteria.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I'm arguing that hack and slash games are not rpgs. Yes, they take certain things from the rpg genera, but what they don't take (as is the case with Diablo) is the role-play part.
You play as a character in a story.
The game uses skills and stats to determine how successful actions are.
That's an RPG. Diablo meets that criteria.
Under that definition Warcraft III and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (and several other games) are also rpgs.
Those aren't the only criteria.
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Post by
Queggy
The Burning Legion story wasn't too developed. They just wanted to kick ass. The story only got really fleshed out with the Sunwell, with Kael'thas wanting to summon Kil'jaeden into the world, so that they could kick ass. The Illidan story has some development but really not much initially. There's an event where you just kick ass and then Illidan says "I will kill you", and later a questline was added where you infiltrate his drakeriders, and he says "I will kill you", and then you escape. Teron Gorefiend's story is really the rock bottom bare minimum story a story character should have, yet some villains have even less than that. Also, developing a character in other media DOES NOT COUNT AS STORY..
There is a deeper storyline than just what you see in most of the game . . .
I DEMAND YOUR AVATAR QUEGGY! >.<
I HAVE SPOKEN!/pat
Post by
TheMediator
There is a deeper storyline than just what you see in most of the game . . .
Alright, I should be more specific and say PLOT, and not story.
Under that definition Warcraft III and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (and several other games) are also rpgs.
Oh really? I wasn't aware in Grand Theft Auto you level of stats and use skills to determine your ability to steal cars or shoot guns etc.
Also, in Warcraft III you don't play
as a character
.
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Oh really? I wasn't aware in Grand Theft Auto you level of stats and use skills to determine your ability to steal cars or shoot guns etc.
Yes, GTA:SA has a pretty complete stat system
Also, in Warcraft III you don't play
as a character
.
Well then I guess Icewind Dale isn't an rpg then?
Post by
Kyndrid
I am going to summarize all the posts to answer the OP. Dragon Age is an awesome game. Well worth buying. Bioware has teh skillz to pay teh billz.
Post by
Rankkor
if I'm lucky, I'LL GET IT TODAY! =O
it seems dragon age will be arriving in venezuela either today or tomorrow :D
prepare to open a........... CAN OF WOOPASS.
Post by
Haxzor
having said that, while square's RPG,s are nice, they lack something that bioware's RPG's have.
choise.
on squaresoft, games, you controll a character that has been made for you, on bioware you make the character, and I don't mean just choosing gender, or face, or clothes, or anthing like that.
you make teh character because you can choose how you will behave on a massive expanisve world, often being a jerk, or a saint, depending on what do you want.
on square's games, u don't do that, if u play Final Fantasy 7, when controlling cloud, u're allways gonna be a jerk on the first disk, u can't change that, or choose a more kind response, cloud changes by himself as you advance the plot.
same goes for squall, on FF 8, he's all shy, reserved, quited, and has the same Leave-me-the-hell-alone personality, and there's nothing YOU can do about it, squall does changes into quite a cool character and an amazing leader, but he does so by himself, you don't get any saying on his behaviuor.
I feel like I'm playing a movie, what's not to love? The storyline(plot), battle systems, soundtracks and side games are so great in Square RPGs I'd say it's impossible to not call them the Kings of RPGs
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I feel like I'm playing a movie, what's not to love?
I prefer making the movie rather than playing it.
Post by
Rankkor
I feel like I'm playing a movie, what's not to love?
I prefer making the movie rather than playing it.
you hit the nail so badly I think you may have broken the table xD.
and BTW I love to feel like playing a movie, but that's what action games are there for (like the awesome Metal Gear Solid, or Broken Sword) but for RPG's I love to be able to CHOOSE.
I think choise is important on an RPG, because on real-life you don't have a path set ahead of you, you are the sum of all the desitions you've made since birth, and to a certain degree it should be the same on RPG's.
now, don't get me wrong, Square's games are awesome, and I love them, a looooooooooot.
but they are not the kings of RPG;'s bioware is.
as legendary as the final fantasy saga (and other square RPG's) are , they just can't compare to Baldur's gate, Neverwinter, Mass effect, Jade Empire, Dragon Age, and Kotor.
and speaking of the devil, I GOT DRAGON AGE, IT'S AWESOME.
IT'S EVERYTHING I HAD HOPE IT WOULD BE, AND THE ONLY THING I'M GONNA SAY ABOUT IT IS THIS.
RUN not walk, RUN to the nearest store and buy this game NOW! MISTER.
I just got it yesterday, and after the first 45 min I was already hooked, the lore on this game it's pure perfection.
Post by
Rankkor
I am debating whether or not to buy this, I am thinking of getting it for Christmas I probably will, Is there any subscription required?
subscription? o_O dude this isn't an MMO, it's a single-player game, (U know like Neverwinter nights, or Baldur's gate)
you install it, you play it, you finish it, and that's about it. asuming you stick to the main-story and don't wander off to to the hundreds of side-quests, this game as arround 50+hours of longitude, and if you do the side-quests expect that number to double.
however the game is so open ended, and has so many posibilitys that there are an as of yet unknown amount of endings, expect at least 3 diferent endings.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
you hit the nail so
badly
I think you may have broken the table xD.
Wait, is that good or bad?
Post by
Rankkor
you hit the nail so
badly
I think you may have broken the table xD.
Wait, is that good or bad?
good, definily good :P you hit the nail, on the spot, with such strenght that you broke the hammer o_O
Post by
TheMediator
I feel like I'm playing a movie, what's not to love?
I prefer making the movie rather than playing it.
you hit the nail so badly I think you may have broken the table xD.
and BTW I love to feel like playing a movie, but that's what action games are there for (like the awesome Metal Gear Solid, or Broken Sword) but for RPG's I love to be able to CHOOSE.
I think choise is important on an RPG, because on real-life you don't have a path set ahead of you, you are the sum of all the desitions you've made since birth, and to a certain degree it should be the same on RPG's.
now, don't get me wrong, Square's games are awesome, and I love them, a looooooooooot.
but they are not the kings of RPG;'s bioware is.
as legendary as the final fantasy saga (and other square RPG's) are , they just can't compare to Baldur's gate, Neverwinter, Mass effect, Jade Empire, Dragon Age, and Kotor.
and speaking of the devil, I GOT DRAGON AGE, IT'S AWESOME.
IT'S EVERYTHING I HAD HOPE IT WOULD BE, AND THE ONLY THING I'M GONNA SAY ABOUT IT IS THIS.
RUN not walk, RUN to the nearest store and buy this game NOW! MISTER.
I just got it yesterday, and after the first 45 min I was already hooked, the lore on this game it's pure perfection.
Sounds cool. Deciding whether to get it for the xbox 360, which would probably run it better, or the PC, which mine probably couldn't have as good of graphics on it, but I'd be able to make use of keybindings and such...
Post by
Rankkor
asuming your pc can run it, the pc version is the best of the whole bunch.
better controlls, camera, has a toolset to make custom content, you can install custom content made by other users, and it has shorter loading times.
that being said, the x-box and ps3 versions are not lackluster either.
one of the major draws this game had to me was that it's lore departs itself for the major common elements of fantasy setting RPG's
elves are not glorious handsome royal people, which have fair clothings and live on towns made of gold and silver.
on this game, elves are slaves, second class citizens, servants of all, masters of none.
pretty much any human can treat an elf like dirt and there's nothign they can do about it, they live in closed comunities called "alienages" wich are isolated slums inside the major cities, and towns.
indeed, if you play the game as an elf, expect the world to treat you harshly unlike other RPG's were elves are the favorites of all.
Dwarves are also quite unique on this game, mixing the dwarven culture we see in wow, with the strenght-based culture of the orcs. I can tell you now that the dwarven noble and commoner backgrounds are quite cool.
this game really outdid itself in establishing a lore that while draws elements found everywhere else (such as elves, dragons, and dwarves) it does so in an unique way that no other game does (elves as dirty beated underdogs, Dwarves as warriors that base their entire culture and politics by strenght and honor, and dragons......... ok I won't say anything about the dragons, don't wanna spoil anything, suffice to say that dragons on this game are unlike any incarnation of dragos you may have seen anywhere else)
honestly, on my book, this game is a 1000 out of 10.
heck for those who once had the game Mortal Kombat, Dragon Age features a system similar to the Fatality and Brutality of MK.
when you protagonist lands the killing blow, if it's a critical, he or she automatically executes the enemy in a rather vicious and deadly fashion, wich is dependant on the weapon and the enemy type.
against a humanoid foe (human, elf, dwarf, darkspawn) and using 2 weapons, your character stabs with the left weapon on the chest, and beheads the enemy with the right weapon.
if using a 2hand sword, your char impales the foe, lifts it so that it's own weight pins it deep on the sword, and then bruttaly let's go.
if using 2 swords and against a giant ogre, you jump at his chest, stabs with both swords in slow-motion, using your own weight to trow the ogre out of balance, and once the ogre is down on the ground, you pull your swords out, and slids it's troath for good measure.
the amount of combinations of these finishing blows is huge due to the many weapon-types and mob-types you can face, and they are random enough that they are not annoying, but cool enough when they do happen.
I'm definitly getting the sequel to this game if they every make one.
Bioware is just Bioware, you can't mess with them, just B-Aware (xD)
(BTW it's funny as hell, it really has some hillarious lines, their writers sure know how to tell a story and make it sound funny and cool at the same time)
Post by
Haxzor
you hit the nail so badly I think you may have broken the table xD.
and BTW I love to feel like playing a movie, but that's what action games are there for (like the awesome Metal Gear Solid, or Broken Sword) but for RPG's I love to be able to CHOOSE.
I think choise is important on an RPG, because on real-life you don't have a path set ahead of you, you are the sum of all the desitions you've made since birth, and to a certain degree it should be the same on RPG's.
now, don't get me wrong, Square's games are awesome, and I love them, a looooooooooot.
but they are not the kings of RPG;'s bioware is.
as legendary as the final fantasy saga (and other square RPG's) are , they just can't compare to Baldur's gate, Neverwinter, Mass effect, Jade Empire, Dragon Age, and Kotor.
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