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The new Ele Totem looks to be BiS for Enhance... again
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Post by
tomgc
Item - Shaman T10 Elemental Relic (Shocks) - The periodic damage from your Flame Shock spell grants 44 haste rating for 30 sec. Stacks up to 5 times.
220 Haste rating which is almost undebatably up for 99.9% of the fight, because it will never drop off, even if you have to go ranged. Takes maybe 18 seconds to reach full stacks, starting at range.
Item - Shaman T10 Enhancement Relic (Stormstrike) - Your Stormstrike ability grant 146 attack power rating for 15 sec. Stacks up to 3 times.
438 AP which is most likely up the entire fight, but may drop off if you have to flee melee range just before a SS. Takes 24 seconds to reach full stacks, starting at melee.
So, if you're at or nearing the point where 1 haste rating = 2AP, the ele totem is better.
/sigh
Why can't Blizzard put the Ele totem procs onto Lava Burst to stop this rubbish itemisation of totems? Its like every tier of WotLK has BiS geared Enh Shamans using the Elemental relic slot >.>
Post by
Fulgurah
To be fair, they tried that with the Tier 8 ele totem (
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45255
) and I'm not sure a single person used it.
Please note that neither of these totems are final and could (as we have seen) be changed in the future. Based on your own ep values, if 1 haste = 2 AP, clearly the elemental totem will be superior. But we'll have to see all the stats of the tier 10/ICC gear before we can really get into that discussion.
Post by
tomgc
Or they could have it 3-stacking to 220~ haste from LvB, which would be exactly the same aside from slower stacking.
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Post by
MegaVolt
What's wrong with that? Why have an enh totem at all? What's the point of that?
Less items is always good. I love being able to re-use stuff for other specs.
So let them make one totem that is BiS for both specs and just forget about the other one. Sounds good to me.
Post by
tomgc
Seems like your QQ is actaully a decent problem to have. Who cares what ability you are using, so long as you are getting the benefit of the proc.
Because the Enhance totem should be BiS for Enhance. Anything else doesn't make sense and is rather poor design.
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MegaVolt
Because the Enhance totem should be BiS for Enhance. Anything else doesn't make sense and is rather poor design.
It's poor design to have a separate Enhance totem.
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Post by
Tenshigure
See ele emblem gear.
This. Hopefully with the changes in MP5 and all other stats, this kind of issue will be reduced significantly. See the T8 helms as the best example (if you are hit-capped that is).
Post by
Fulgurah
The primary problem is that to use the Ele totem most effectively you now have to clutter your rotation with flame shock when earth shock is in fact the most effective use of the shared cooldown for dps. Granted you only have to slap one up peroidically but its still a pointless step out of an optimal rotation simply because Enhance itemization appears to be poorly undestood by the devs themselves. My only consolation is that cataclysm will remove our reliance on +ap items as well as intelligence and put us on even ground with the other melee classes which have 2 primary stats: stam and 1 other. Imho the fact that we split our stats 3 ways to be effective dps ensures that we are bar none the squishiest, most complicated, and have the lowest hp of the melee classes.
I disagree with nearly all of this. Here's why:
It's been proven time and again that using Flame Shock every third shock (FS/ES/ES/FS...) is a DPS increase. So, us using the ele totem would not get away from our standard rotation. Our standard "priority" nowadays IS to weave FS in. This totem wouldn't change that. And if it's a DPS increase over the Enhance totem, I'm simply going to use it.
I also hate when people say "Devs don't understand ," or in this case "enhancement itemization." You have to figure that they have a few competing interests to keep in mind: firstly, their stated goal to not have vast amounts of gear usable to ONLY one spec/class; secondly, the fact that armor pen does provide some amount of dps increase for us and a large dps for hunters; and thirdly, it's pointless to say they don't understand the game or our spec or whatever. It proves nothing other than to QQ. Yes, the emblem gear is VERY subpar for Enhancement Shaman over some of the other drops. Yes, the crafted gear as well. Why? Armor Pen sucks compared to haste or crit for us. Does that mean that I want them to design gear without armor pen? Selfishly, yes. But I understand the dilemma and am thankful there are at least options out there. And the fact that they do not slap armor pen all over our tier gear.
But yes, I'm also excited to see what they do with getting rid of so many of the stats that clutter gear. Enhancement is not broken, but it will be nice to see things homogenized a bit more where we don't instantly get turned off from gear because of misplaced stats.
Post by
tomgc
Okay. I'll add my piece.
Using Flame Shock, at least to me, has been a DPS increase. My tests show that as long as a mob is burned for 5/6 of the dot, you'll break even on damage. EJ says this, too. And since the trinket has an uptime of 30 seconds you only need to hit FS once every 27 seconds.
Also @ Inertus, people don't complain that ArP sucks for us... they complain that the stat is on maybe 70-80% of our gear yes is only really useful for 50% of physical mail users (Hunters). A 33% split between gear with hit+crit/haste, crit+haste and arp+crit/haste would be better, but it isn't like that.
Post by
Fulgurah
It's not that I don't sympathize. I hate it, myself. But it's no reason to say "QQ, Blizz doesn't understand our spec."
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