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Parallels between WoW and Lord of the Rings
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Queggy
Please stop advertising LOTRO
No one has mentioned it until you . . . we've been talking about the books.
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Ghulag
only comment here is that Saruman is NOT Sauron's right hand man. he was attempting to set himself up in sauron's place.
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Lordplatypus
Isn't lord of the rings a movie?
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hymer
About the only thing gnomes and Hobbits have in common is size.
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Nulgar
Isn't lord of the rings a movie?
Considering the age of the thread, it might've been still just a book then. Yes this is sarcasm.
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Post by
Adamsm
Who cares? I'd rather compare WoW to D&D, at least get more interesting things.
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ElhonnaDS
To be fair, the modern conception of an orc in fiction WAS initially defined by Tolkien. The word may have exited before that, but the creatures it described seem to have been everything from giants to house gnomes, and in many cases the behaviors described seem to be more in line with those of fae creatures or solitary cave-dwelling monsters than societies of warlike barbarians. The nature of the orc, as much as the physical appearance, is much more unified in the works since Tolkien than it was in the folklore before, and the idea of them as a society vs. solitary fantastical creatures seems to have arisen there as well. In literature since then, it's rare to see an orc portrayed as a solitary creature, a protector of the wilderness, a creature that is of giant or gnomish proportions, etc. His particular vision of orcs seems to have supplanted the traditional one, and the Warcraft orc is much more similar to that than those found in folklore.
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Adamsm
Yeah but now Warcraft has created a new version of the Orc...well, to be fair, Shadowrun did it first: Orks as being just like anyone else, and not locked down to only evil, like they are in the Lord of the Rings.
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Rystrave
The similarities are quite clear. If the Lord of the rings didn't exist, neither would this website or WoW. lets get a few things straight.
That is quite a bold statement, considering nothing ever existed without something else existing first. Yup.
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Adamsm
No, the modern version was; there were still orcs in mythology. However, Tolkien pigeonhole the orcs for a very long time, till the Shadowrun series came out and started making Orks non-Chaotic evil all the time, which is what Warcraft built on.
That being said...meh! MEH I say to the Lord of the Rings! I've read that door stopper series once and am never going to read it again. Tolkien may have started it, but so many authors have improved on Fantasy since it's not even funny.
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ElhonnaDS
thank you. if u look up orc on wiki. it will say it was invented by tolkien
i rest my case
If you actually read the whole page, though, it talks about instances of orkes and orks in folklore. Tolkien created the word "orc" the same way urban culture created the word "phat." It doesn't mean he was the first one to conceive of the entire concept- it means that when he reinvented the concept and put his own spin on it, he changed the spelling slightly to take ownership of it. If I were to write a piece of fiction where I referred to extra-terrestrials as "Alienz," and then that spelling became commonplace in literature, then I imagine the wiki article for that word would denote that it came from me. However, it would then go into the origination of that word in "aliens" and discuss all of the literature and modern folklore surrounding that word and the extra-terrestrials it referred to.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##ElhonnaDS##DELIM##
Post by
Nathanyal
thank you. if u look up orc on wiki. it will say it was invented by tolkien
i rest my case
Actually, the wiki says Tolkien got it from George MacDonald's
The Princess and the Goblin
. Stating so in a letter he wrote.
They are not based on direct experience of mine; but owe, I suppose, a good deal to the goblin tradition ... especially as it appears in George MacDonald, except for the soft feet which I never believed in.
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