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Post by
oneforthemoney
Okay, shouldn't the death of Norushen alerted the Pantheon that Y'Shaarj's prison had been compromised, causing another Algalon scenario?
I think there's only one Algalon, so he probably just got another message. He might have checked in, but as we dealt with it likely only reinforced his decision to not kill us all.
Post by
Stabhorn
Okay, shouldn't the death of Norushen alerted the Pantheon that Y'Shaarj's prison had been compromised, causing another Algalon scenario?
I think there's only one Algalon, so he probably just got another message. He might have checked in, but as we dealt with it likely only reinforced his decision to not kill us all.
That's a good point, but why were the Halls of Origination such a cause of distress? (Unless it was automated and outside of Algalon's control. I don't remember the details about the Halls; it's been a while.)
Post by
oneforthemoney
The Halls were the device itself whose purpose was to destroy all life on Azeroth. So, yes. Still fairly important.
Post by
Atik
The Halls were the device itself whose purpose was to destroy all life on Azeroth. So, yes. Still fairly important.
I was under the impression it was a "backup" alert system, in case Algalon was defeated or corrupted, and acted in a more automated fashion.
If it was just a "kill everything" button, I imagine Deathwing would have just told us that to keep us from pushing it, rather than his big Batman Gambit. As it is, it was a system to call the Titans, so Deathwing pretended to want to activate it, so we would destroy it and basically screw our easy answer.
Post by
oneforthemoney
The Halls were the device itself whose purpose was to destroy all life on Azeroth. So, yes. Still fairly important.
I was under the impression it was a "backup" alert system, in case Algalon was defeated or corrupted, and acted in a more automated fashion.
If it was just a "kill everything" button, I imagine Deathwing would have just told us that to keep us from pushing it, rather than his big Batman Gambit. As it is, it was a system to call the Titans, so Deathwing pretended to want to activate it, so we would destroy it and basically screw our easy answer.
Actually it is apparently a device to 'reorder' the life on Azeroth. So first it kills everyone, then it makes something new from it.
Post by
cephadex
Actually it is apparently a device to 'reorder' the life on Azeroth. So first it kills everyone, then it makes something new from it.
wait, does it kill the old gods, too?
Post by
oneforthemoney
Actually it is apparently a device to 'reorder' the life on Azeroth. So first it kills everyone, then it makes something new from it.
wait, does it kill the old gods, too?
Probably not. Old gods are apparently somewhat immortal. Even killing C'thun hasn't really ended him, and the Titans needed to do all the heavy lifting before we could even finish off Y'sharj. It seems like it was intended to be used if the races became corrupted by the old gods in order to avoid them using them to escape.
Post by
Stabhorn
Actually it is apparently a device to 'reorder' the life on Azeroth. So first it kills everyone, then it makes something new from it.
wait, does it kill the old gods, too?
Probably not. Old gods are apparently somewhat immortal. Even killing C'thun hasn't really ended him, and the Titans needed to do all the heavy lifting before we could even finish off Y'sharj. It seems like it was intended to be used if the races became corrupted by the old gods in order to avoid them using them to escape.
It's odd to me that they didn't just kill the Heart of Y'Shaarj back then. I mean, the curse had already been unleashed and I'm pretty sure that the sha all died with the Heart.
(Also, why did the Heart die when Garrosh was knocked unconscious?)
Post by
Morec0
Actually it is apparently a device to 'reorder' the life on Azeroth. So first it kills everyone, then it makes something new from it.
wait, does it kill the old gods, too?
Probably not. Old gods are apparently somewhat immortal. Even killing C'thun hasn't really ended him, and the Titans needed to do all the heavy lifting before we could even finish off Y'sharj. It seems like it was intended to be used if the races became corrupted by the old gods in order to avoid them using them to escape.
It's odd to me that they didn't just kill the Heart of Y'Shaarj back then. I mean, the curse had already been unleashed and I'm pretty sure that the sha all died with the Heart.
(Also, why did the Heart die when Garrosh was knocked unconscious?)
Perhaps they were worried that it would cause some bigger problem?
Post by
Stabhorn
Actually it is apparently a device to 'reorder' the life on Azeroth. So first it kills everyone, then it makes something new from it.
wait, does it kill the old gods, too?
Probably not. Old gods are apparently somewhat immortal. Even killing C'thun hasn't really ended him, and the Titans needed to do all the heavy lifting before we could even finish off Y'sharj. It seems like it was intended to be used if the races became corrupted by the old gods in order to avoid them using them to escape.
It's odd to me that they didn't just kill the Heart of Y'Shaarj back then. I mean, the curse had already been unleashed and I'm pretty sure that the sha all died with the Heart.
(Also, why did the Heart die when Garrosh was knocked unconscious?)
Perhaps they were worried that it would cause some bigger problem?
We killed it just fine.
Post by
Morec0
Actually it is apparently a device to 'reorder' the life on Azeroth. So first it kills everyone, then it makes something new from it.
wait, does it kill the old gods, too?
Probably not. Old gods are apparently somewhat immortal. Even killing C'thun hasn't really ended him, and the Titans needed to do all the heavy lifting before we could even finish off Y'sharj. It seems like it was intended to be used if the races became corrupted by the old gods in order to avoid them using them to escape.
It's odd to me that they didn't just kill the Heart of Y'Shaarj back then. I mean, the curse had already been unleashed and I'm pretty sure that the sha all died with the Heart.
(Also, why did the Heart die when Garrosh was knocked unconscious?)
Perhaps they were worried that it would cause some bigger problem?
We killed it just fine.
But they didn't know that. As far as they were concerned, it was best to just leave it alone and bury it away.
Us? We didn't have much of a choice. Garrosh was going all psycho on us.
Post by
Stabhorn
Alright fair point.
But still, why did the Heart drop dead?
Post by
oneforthemoney
It was already almost dead but was brought back to life. It had probably tied itself it Garrosh's corruption so much that when we finished that off it was like stabbing it. Hell, it probably took all the damage that we were beating into Garrosh, him being something like its avatar at the time.
That might have been why the titans didn't kill it. It hadn't made itself as vulnerable as when we found it.
Post by
Rankkor
Okay, shouldn't the death of Norushen alerted the Pantheon that Y'Shaarj's prison had been compromised, causing another Algalon scenario?
I think there's only one Algalon, so he probably just got another message. He might have checked in, but as we dealt with it likely only reinforced his decision to not kill us all.
That's a good point, but why were the Halls of Origination such a cause of distress? (Unless it was automated and outside of Algalon's control. I don't remember the details about the Halls; it's been a while.)
The Halls of Origination were a cause of distress because that's the terraforming device that the Titans installed to basically "reboot" the planet if the old gods managed to corrupt it past the point of no-return. Back in Ulduar, Loken's death caused Algalon to arrive and scan our world, if we didn't beat him, he'd sent a reply code Omega, causing the Titans to come back, activate the Halls of Origination, and basically kill everything and everyone on the planet.
Deathwing planned to simply skip the middle man, and just activate the halls himself without titan intervention, because by eradicating all the mortal races, the old gods would presumably have no opposition to finally escape from their prison.
Actually it is apparently a device to 'reorder' the life on Azeroth. So first it kills everyone, then it makes something new from it.
wait, does it kill the old gods, too?
Probably not. Old gods are apparently somewhat immortal. Even killing C'thun hasn't really ended him, and the Titans needed to do all the heavy lifting before we could even finish off Y'sharj. It seems like it was intended to be used if the races became corrupted by the old gods in order to avoid them using them to escape.
meh, the coin is kinda in the air about that. The Titans fully had the power to kill the old gods (as demonstrated by Y'sharj) and the only reason they stopped is because the old gods instated the Curse of Flesh, where their death would mean the death of azeroth. So they locked them up, and installed the halls so they could purge the planet if they corrupted the world anyways.
Seems hard to imagine how the old gods would survive a device that breaks apart the entire planet, and everything on it at the molecular level, and then form new components from the raw atoms. That's as dead as dead can be. Which only makes me question why would deathwing want to activate it. Honestly the entire story of Uldum made no sense.
It's odd to me that they didn't just kill the Heart of Y'Shaarj back then.
They did, the heart was shriveled and dead, but even in its dead state, it still resonated with the emotions of the land, so they locked it up. Garrosh basically revived the heart when he plunged it in the Eternal Springs.
(Also, why did the Heart die when Garrosh was knocked unconscious?)
Look at it this way: The heart has in it immense power, power that was dormant for thousands of years as the heart was severed from the body of the old god it belonged to. Garrosh then dunked the heart into a spring of life-giving waters that could create life out of thin air. These waters empowered the heart.
And what does garrosh do with it? gorge on it of course. During his entire fight, his mechanics consist of him sucking up energy from the heart, eventually when we reach phase 3 garrosh just says "meh, screw it, I'm draining the whole thing" and essentially sucks the entire heart dry. When we kill him that energy dissipates, and the heart was once again dried up and empty.
Like a cellphone battery that you left on the charger, but then used up until it was empty again. Presumably, the heart could be reignited again if its dunked into yet another power-source, like one of the world engines in northrend, so the pandaren better lock that thing up more safely this time.
Post by
Rankkor
Also YAY!!!!!!!!!
Reshad short story
RESHAD SHORT STORY!!!!!!!!!
=D
I seriously love that dude. BEST character in WoD by a landslide.
The best part is that unlike the other short stories so far ("Hellscream" detailing how Garrosh convinced Grom to create the Iron Horde, and "Code of Rule" which details how the Orcs allied with the Ogres of the Gorian Empire) this one is a SEQUEL to our quests in Spires of Arak, and by the description, it sounds like it will detail how the hell Iskar ends up working for Gul'dan in 6.2
Edit: Okay, my mistake, now that I've finished it, it seems its actually a prequel/sequel. Part of it is based after all our quests in Spires of Arak, with the Order of Rukhmar disbanded and Skyreach sacked, but most of it is Reshad telling a tale of Iskar, and how he came to be an outcast.
So Reshad is actually a narrator, rather than a protagonist =/
Still a great read though.
(##RESPBREAK##)520##DELIM##Rankkor##DELIM##
Post by
morginar
Seems hard to imagine how the old gods would survive a device that breaks apart the entire planet, and everything on it at the molecular level, and then form new components from the raw atoms. That's as dead as dead can be. Which only makes me question why would deathwing want to activate it. Honestly the entire story of Uldum made no sense.
I was under the impression that the twilight hammer had no interest in ever using it, possibly disabling it. And we (PC and Jones) merely assumed that the hammer was going to use the halls to blow up the planet.
Post by
Atik
The Halls were a batman gambit on Deathwing's part. He made us think they were his goal so we would destroy them.
IIRC, he shows up somewhere post-Halls to gloat about playing us.
Post by
Adamsm
I think he wanted it more to have it in his claws, to keep someone else from using it first...it's just no one had any idea that the Watchers in Uldum were waking up and preparing to follow their last programming; if we hadn't of stopped it, they would have set it off....at least, that's how it seems to me. Or it may have even been the Tol'vir that had sided with Deathwing who wanted to destroy Ramahken so badly, they were willing to do anything to remove them.
Post by
oneforthemoney
And, of course, it would have been useful if the war started to turn against them. Which it did. The Hammer being a doomsday cult, if ending the world the way the old gods wanted didn't work, may as well 'win' that way.
Post by
cephadex
Random question, by any chance has anyone here read
Snow Fight
? I've heard it deviated greatly from the lore and I've always wondered in what way, haha.
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