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Post by
cephadex
Also, for an expansion called Warlords of Draenor, we are really running out of warlords to kill. I was hoping we would whittle down their numbers over several patches, but nope, in 6.0 and we've already killed the vast majority of warlords from just about every clan.
Even if there had been warlords left, it's already become anticlimactic after Garrosh took over Grom's spotlight and was then molten-earth-fisted out of the picture in the Nagrand campaign. We all know Grom is really what Warlords is about, and he's meant to be the final boss of something, which as I've said before to me is the crux of what's wrong with this expansion. (Not that I dislike the expansion at all, but the story they went with is almost physically painful to me).
Post by
Adamsm
No possibly about it; Maiev is evil(thanks to Blizzard) but at least her break down makes a hell of a lot more sense then some of the others out there.
Edit: Also...I'm starting to think we got hoodwinked. I don't think Grom is going to end up as the over all boss. With the information released for 6.1, I have a feeling that it's going to be Gul'dan at the end. We may see Grom take Demon Blood out of desperation towards the end of another patch.
And another thing....the fact that Garona exists, says that some things had to continue the same; the whole forced aging for one(or at least with those orcs that Gul'dan corrupted). We may see another raid where we take down Cho'gall and his forces while Gul'dan's assaults him. But guess we'll have to wait and see.
Post by
Antitheguy
Could anyone direct me to a place where I could read up on either Pandaren/Pandaria lore as a whole (or at least the parts dealing with the Shado-Pan and the Celestials, as well as maybe the Yaungol)...
Or perhaps something that shows all the lore we know about the Draenei so far? I'm specifically interested in the ranks in their religious outfits, like the Anchorites, Soulbinders, Vindicators, et cetera.
Post by
Stabhorn
Could anyone direct me to a place where I could read up on either Pandaren/Pandaria lore as a whole (or at least the parts dealing with the Shado-Pan and the Celestials, as well as maybe the Yaungol)...
Or perhaps something that shows all the lore we know about the Draenei so far? I'm specifically interested in the ranks in their religious outfits, like the Anchorites, Soulbinders, Vindicators, et cetera.
Simply go to
www.wowpedia.org
and then search for the topics you're interested in!
Post by
Rankkor
I was just referring to his meeting with Leyara. She
almost
one-shot him with fire when it should be the opposite.
To be honest,
any time
any Flame Druid uses the Smoldering Thorns spell, it can turn even the most powerful characters, completely helpless. On the Elemental Bonds questline, Staghelm incapacitates Malfurion (World's Strongest Druid), Thrall (World's Strongest Shaman), and the frigging
Dragon Aspects
with that same spell.
He does it again to the players in Firelands just before the fight with Alysrazor. Its almost like an "I Win" button. No wonder playable druids don't have it.
Post by
Atik
I was just referring to his meeting with Leyara. She
almost
one-shot him with fire when it should be the opposite.
To be honest,
any time
any Flame Druid uses the Smoldering Thorns spell, it can turn even the most powerful characters, completely helpless. On the Elemental Bonds questline, Staghelm incapacitates Malfurion (World's Strongest Druid), Thrall (World's Strongest Shaman), and the frigging
Dragon Aspects
with that same spell.
He does it again to the players in Firelands just before the fight with Alysrazor. Its almost like an "I Win" button. No wonder playable druids don't have it.
Only Hunters are allowed to wield that kind of power.
Post by
Adamsm
So bounce back to a very old argument/discussion....but the idea of Worgen having baby Worgen has been clarified: Doesn't happen, a child is born a normal baby not a wolfing.
So my thoughts on the Worgen being the new elite could still come true!
Link.
Post by
Atik
So bounce back to a very old argument/discussion....but the idea of Worgen having baby Worgen has been clarified: Doesn't happen, a child is born a normal baby not a wolfing.
So my thoughts on the Worgen being the new elite could still come true!
Link.
But... the curse alters their genetic makeup. Otherwise they would revert to humans and be able to be raised by Forsaken...
I %^&*ing hate Blizzard sometimes.
Post by
Adamsm
It's magic; it doesn't alter the make up obviously. I prefer it this way, even though that means all of my Worgen are now defunct, but that's alright.
Post by
cephadex
So bounce back to a very old argument/discussion....but the idea of Worgen having baby Worgen has been clarified: Doesn't happen, a child is born a normal baby not a wolfing.
So my thoughts on the Worgen being the new elite could still come true!
Link.
But... the curse alters their genetic makeup. Otherwise they would revert to humans and be able to be raised by Forsaken...
I %^&*ing hate Blizzard sometimes.
The curse could only be passed on to their offspring if gametes were genetically changed (not just bodily cells). But the idea of trying to drag genetics into it is ridiculous in the first place, because genetically the transformation back and forth from one form to the other wouldn't make sense inasmuch as genes code for completely different proteins in either form, which would be immunologically rejected from one form to the other, and why am I even on about this...
No possibly about it; Maiev is evil(thanks to Blizzard) but at least her break down makes a hell of a lot more sense then some of the others out there.
What follows is a rant about Maiev-hate, which I don't like; I put it under spoilers so it's not all up in everyone's grill if they don't want to get into that tangential discussion.
I don't like the Maiev hate. The Illidan story was one big butthurt whine by some guy about how "someone else stole his girl," and the Maiev bit was just butthurt about the fact that a woman overpowered and subjugated a dude. When Arthas subjugated Sylvanas, everyone still loved him, but because Maiev was written by some butthurt person, her character was stereotyped and exaggerated in the first place to make you hate her, kind of in a lesser extent than the way Garrosh was written to be hated.
Then people remark about how heartless Maiev presumably was in not caring about how Tyrande was washed up the river, etc, but really that's just extra "she's so evil" added in by the person who wrote the story in the first place to emphasize how much he doesn't like that kind of woman. And if you want to get right down to it, even that's less evil than it appears: Tyrande wasn't a damsel in distress, she was presumably a competent warrior, and so it's not like she was helpless; also, Maiev perceived her entire life as being based on the task of keeping Illidan jailed, so if you look at it that way, she would feel she'd already wasted enough time when she should have been chasing after him-- then Tyrande of her own accord decides to go and fight because "the moon goddess will protect her." You can sort of see how at that point she might choose to abandon her and continue her mission. But regardless, trying to justify her cause is pointless because she was written to be hated by a biased writer.
Post by
Adamsm
Nah I was just trying to cut off the Knaak hate because you know it would have come.
Post by
Atik
It's magic; it doesn't alter the make up obviously. I prefer it this way, even though that means all of my Worgen are now defunct, but that's alright.
But it's STATED to alter their genetics. The entire reason why the Valkyrs can't raise them is because they are no longer Humans. That's why they die in Worgen form, they've been converted into another species.
The Human form of Worgens always struck me as more akin to a druid shapeshift, where the Worgen is basically still there under the skin.
Post by
Rankkor
It's magic; it doesn't alter the make up obviously. I prefer it this way, even though that means all of my Worgen are now defunct, but that's alright.
But it's STATED to alter their genetics. The entire reason why the Valkyrs can't raise them is because they are no longer Humans. That's why they die in Worgen form, they've been converted into another species.
The Human form of Worgens always struck me as more akin to a druid shapeshift, where the Worgen is basically still there under the skin.
This. Its also very strange that this wouldn't affect their genes, but things like the Orcs Green Skin, or the blood elven Green eyes, do affect their genes, so their offspring is still affected.
Goes to show how little effort and care was placed with the worgens that blizzard essentially doesn't know what to do with them.
Post by
Adamsm
It's magic; it doesn't alter the make up obviously. I prefer it this way, even though that means all of my Worgen are now defunct, but that's alright.
But it's STATED to alter their genetics. The entire reason why the Valkyrs can't raise them is because they are no longer Humans. That's why they die in Worgen form, they've been converted into another species.
The Human form of Worgens always struck me as more akin to a druid shapeshift, where the Worgen is basically still there under the skin.
Except...we've also seen Worgens who when they die have spirits that are in their human form,
as seen here
. And while it's true the Worgen no longer count as human, it doesn't necessarily follow that it means those who are born from them wouldn't be just a base original race....which Blizzard confirmed. The Worgen can still be there under the skin, but it's tied to that person and that person only.
As I said, I like that idea more, since it would mean that if the Gilnean's wish, they could create elite fighting forces just by having a worgen bite someone then take the calming potion right after.
Post by
Atik
It's magic; it doesn't alter the make up obviously. I prefer it this way, even though that means all of my Worgen are now defunct, but that's alright.
But it's STATED to alter their genetics. The entire reason why the Valkyrs can't raise them is because they are no longer Humans. That's why they die in Worgen form, they've been converted into another species.
The Human form of Worgens always struck me as more akin to a druid shapeshift, where the Worgen is basically still there under the skin.
Except...we've also seen Worgens who when they die have spirits that are in their human form,
as seen here
. And while it's true the Worgen no longer count as human, it doesn't necessarily follow that it means those who are born from them wouldn't be just a base original race....which Blizzard confirmed. The Worgen can still be there under the skin, but it's tied to that person and that person only.
As I said, I like that idea more, since it would mean that if the Gilnean's wish, they could create elite fighting forces just by having a worgen bite someone then take the calming potion right after.
Spirits are metaphysical, and can take any form they want. If a Worgen identified with their Human persona more, it's understandable that their spirit would choose to appear human.
And it ABSOLUTELY follows. That's how genetics work.
Post by
Adamsm
In reality...but this is a world where corpses walk around. A wizard did it, plan and simple...well to be more accurate, a Druid did it but still.
Post by
Atik
It's still stupid.
Not "Dragons are sterile" levels of stupid. But still stupid.
Post by
Adamsm
Like I said, I prefer it since it makes a lot more sense then the idea that somehow the Gilnean's are a 'dying' breed if you aren't a Worgen; after all, the Horde has a one generation race so why wouldn't the Alliance.
Post by
matheus314
It's still stupid.
Not "Dragons are sterile" levels of stupid. But still stupid.
It's still magic. They can come with anything when magic is involved.
My only gripe with it is why don't allow worgen newborns born with the curse? Would it be THAT lorebreaking? If the problem is that people will want human-wolf pups to be running arround, just make an excuse that the curse is latent on childhood and manifest itself on the teenage years. Deal. Done. Much more plausible than the 'wizard did it' trope.
Post by
Nulgar
A curse is a curse, it doesn't affect DNA.
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