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Post by
Skreeran
Yes. The A in most draenei names I've seen is pronounced like the As of Amsterdam.The funny thing here is that most Americans pronounce that city as "AM-ster-dam," with both As being pronounced like the a in "ham" or "bat."
Like this
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Whereas in Spanish the sound would be pronounced as "ah" like "call" or "yacht."
I pronounced Draenic "aa" sounds as the latter.
But.... in spanish the only sound made by the A vowel is 100% identical to Call or Bat or Ham or yacht. All of those are pronounced the same in spanish.Right, right I know.
That's why I felt I should clarify that in American English (which is what most of us speak) "Amsterdam" is not pronounced with an "ah" sound.
Post by
Rankkor
Ahhh gotcha.
Post by
Jameja
As I understand it all Tauren had a dream of the lands of Pandaria. Which were the driving force for them to get there. But I can't seem remember there being end to this story where we find out why they had that dream. And whilst I'm thinking about this was there any mention of this dream affecting the Taunka
Post by
Adamsm
I....really got no words for that.
Post by
Rankkor
As I understand it all Tauren had a dream of the lands of Pandaria. Which were the driving force for them to get there. But I can't seem remember there being end to this story where we find out why they had that dream. And whilst I'm thinking about this was there any mention of this dream affecting the Taunka
actually it wasn't all of the tauren, it was all of the Dawnchaser tribe. Starting with their head shaman, the wife of Dezco.
https://twitter.com/artofcgrobinson/status/428586668539400192
o_O ta........ ta' hell?
Post by
Skreeran
As I understand it all Tauren had a dream of the lands of Pandaria. Which were the driving force for them to get there. But I can't seem remember there being end to this story where we find out why they had that dream. And whilst I'm thinking about this was there any mention of this dream affecting the Taunka
actually it wasn't all of the tauren, it was all of the Dawnchaser tribe. Starting with their head shaman, the wife of Dezco.
https://twitter.com/artofcgrobinson/status/428586668539400192
o_O ta........ ta' hell?
Just went and looked at what progress they've made so far.
As a player with several female orc characters, I can't say I'm happy. Looks too much like
Aggra's terrible face.
I actually rather like the faces we have already.
If they could just up the poly count and texture res, that'd be way better than rebuilding it from scratch.
Post by
Jameja
As I understand it all Tauren had a dream of the lands of Pandaria. Which were the driving force for them to get there. But I can't seem remember there being end to this story where we find out why they had that dream. And whilst I'm thinking about this was there any mention of this dream affecting the Taunka
actually it wasn't all of the tauren, it was all of the Dawnchaser tribe. Starting with their head shaman, the wife of Dezco.
So the dream was just to get their hands on the baby guardian? Also was it ever explained how the dreamcame to be?
Post by
Rankkor
As I understand it all Tauren had a dream of the lands of Pandaria. Which were the driving force for them to get there. But I can't seem remember there being end to this story where we find out why they had that dream. And whilst I'm thinking about this was there any mention of this dream affecting the Taunka
actually it wasn't all of the tauren, it was all of the Dawnchaser tribe. Starting with their head shaman, the wife of Dezco.
So the dream was just to get their hands on the baby guardian? Also was it ever explained how the dreamcame to be?
Get used to those plot holes =/
For that matter it was never explained how did Krasus prophesied Jaina being a leader of the Kirin Tor, or how did Drek'Thar got his vision of the Shattering, or how does Velen........ gets all the bajillion visions he has.
They just do.
Something, something, spirits, ancestors, Holy Light........ *cough*
Post by
oneforthemoney
Velen has the excuse of being in the same league as Kiljaedan and Archimonde in terms of power, and that prophecies are kind of his shtick
All these others are pretty much Blizzard realizing they need to justify something, but don't feel like putting in effort on good writing so slap someone's name on a prophecy who can't confirm or deny it anymore.
Post by
Adamsm
Krasus is completely out there.
Drek'thar was getting a 'warning' about the Shattering because the Elements could sense what was coming, what with all of the problems that Deathwing was causing in Deepholme before he broke out. The manga Shaman references other Shaman getting the same vibe that something was coming, but the Elements could not articulate it correctly.
And Velen's visions are due to the Ata'mai Crystals; he had them on Argus which is how he knew that Sargeras offer was full of bunk and what was about to come.
Post by
Rankkor
Velen has the excuse of being in the same league as Kiljaedan and Archimonde in terms of power, and that prophecies are kind of his shtick
Funny how in the actual game I 3manned him xD.
(yes I'm horrible I know U_U)
All these others are pretty much Blizzard realizing they need to justify something, but don't feel like putting in effort on good writing so slap someone's name on a prophecy who can't confirm or deny it anymore.
Pretty much. When in doubt, call it prophecy, and then call it a day.
Post by
Adamsm
You know in Warlords it's going to be interesting in another way....Zaela from the Dragonmaw and whoever the current Blackrock leader is are going to end up meeting their 'cousins' there; Maim and Rend will more then likely be around with Blackhand, so that's something to look forward.
Post by
Rankkor
One thing they haven't addressed is if Draenei from the present will be meeting their alternate selves from the past. Like Velen, Maraad, and Nobundo. All of those were alive in Draenor, and are still alive in Azeroth. Also, what about Draenosh and Garrosh? Grom seems old enough to have "done the deed" already. Maybe not Durotar, since he had his kid almost a decade after crossing the dark portal. But Saurfang and Grom already had their kids already long before the Dark Portal was erected.
Also, will Saurfang Senior meet his younger self? Will WE get to see how papa Saurfang was in his prime (Ohhhh boy, the potential for awesomeness in that image is almost mouth-watering)
Post by
oneforthemoney
Also, will Saurfang Senior meet his younger self? Will WE get to see how papa Saurfang was in his prime (Ohhhh boy, the potential for awesomeness in that image is almost mouth-watering)
We may well be killing him, so try not to get your hopes too high.
Post by
Adamsm
Aye, since Saurfang is a follower of the Blackrock clan originally, so we could end up on the other side of his axe.
Post by
Rankkor
You know they can't make papa saurfang a boss. How would we kill him?
Besides, I do foresee a few people making a "Heel Face Turn". Dunno, but somehow I don't think we're gonna wipe out 8 orc clans in their entirety. Say that Blackhand for example is evil and needs to be stopped, we do so, and Saurfang becomes the new Blackrock chieftain. Or Doomhammer.
Remember how in cata we killed Mog'hor and Zaela became the new Dragonmaw Chieftain.
It just wouldn't make much sense (and it would be too cruel) to simply exterminate every clan down to the last man woman and child. I could easily see each clan having a lieutenant that wishes to steer it in a better direction.
Jorin for the Bleeding hollow, Doomhammer/Saurfang for the blackrocks, Drek'thul for the Shadowmoon, etc.
Post by
Adamsm
These are 'evil' though; Saurfang during that time period was loyal to his clan above all else, which is where the whole 'pork' story he told Garrosh came from.
Yes there is going to be differences, but I think if we fight Saurfang in WoD, it's gonna be the same idea of General Nazgrim: We'd be fighting a loyal member of the Blackrock who may believe that his people are more important then the strange invaders from another dimension.
And why not to be completely honest; quite a few of the Clans didn't make it through the Second War after all.
Post by
Rankkor
These are 'evil' though;
Too early to tell. Unlike the first horde, these have no demon-blood enhanced bloodlust, they can be reasoned with, and I refuse to believe an entire civilization can just go bonkers. For every "Evil" group there's always decent people within it. If there could be honorable orcs even among the Original Horde (Who made attrocities that would put the Iron Horde to shame) then there's no reason to believe NOBODY is honorable in the Iron Horde as well.
For all we know Garrosh lied and manipulated a lot of these people and when his deception is proven wrong they (or some of them) could have a change of heart. We'll see when the expac goes live, but I'm just saying, practically every group has its noble folk in it, from the Arrakoa, the Dark Irons, even the Vry'kul have their noble (or at least less hostile) folks in it.
Saurfang during that time period was loyal to his clan above all else, which is where the whole 'pork' story he told Garrosh came from.
He was also loyal to his master (Doomhammer) above all else. I could see Doomhammer repeating history's events and help the "playable horde" in deposing Blackhand and take command of the Blackrock Orcs. Again, this is not unprecedented in wow. We helped Akama regain leadership of the Ashtongue (Mid-raid mind you, turning hostile mobs into friendly on-screen) and helped Zaela gain leadership of the Dragonmaw, and alliance-side, saw Moira replacing Thaurissan as leader of the Dark Irons.
So the theme of putting a more reasonable person, in charge of a hostile formerly enemy force, is not unheard of in this game.
And why not to be completely honest; quite a few of the Clans didn't make it through the Second War after all.
That's because they were mindless due to the demon blood and basically zerg-rushed the alliance. The siege of Lordaeron saw thousands of orcs die, and even if Gul'dan hadn't betrayed Doomhammer, they would had still obtained massive losses before getting victory.
Post by
Skreeran
He was also loyal to his master (Doomhammer) above all else. I could see Doomhammer repeating history's events and help the "playable horde" in deposing Blackhand and take command of the Blackrock Orcs. Again, this is not unprecedented in wow. We helped Akama regain leadership of the Ashtongue (Mid-raid mind you, turning hostile mobs into friendly on-screen) and helped Zaela gain leadership of the Dragonmaw, and alliance-side, saw Moira replacing Thaurissan as leader of the Dark Irons.
So the theme of putting a more reasonable person, in charge of a hostile formerly enemy force, is not unheard of in this game.It's also worth noting that this expansion is clearly not just about "Fight the Old Horde."
I don't think it's going to end up getting divided into "These clans are enemies, and these clans are allies." I think some, like the Blackrocks and Warsongs, for example, could easily go back and forth of their own accord rather than just being a list of expansion bosses.
Post by
Rankkor
He was also loyal to his master (Doomhammer) above all else. I could see Doomhammer repeating history's events and help the "playable horde" in deposing Blackhand and take command of the Blackrock Orcs. Again, this is not unprecedented in wow. We helped Akama regain leadership of the Ashtongue (Mid-raid mind you, turning hostile mobs into friendly on-screen) and helped Zaela gain leadership of the Dragonmaw, and alliance-side, saw Moira replacing Thaurissan as leader of the Dark Irons.
So the theme of putting a more reasonable person, in charge of a hostile formerly enemy force, is not unheard of in this game.It's also worth noting that this expansion is clearly not just about "Fight the Old Horde."
I don't think it's going to end up getting divided into "These clans are enemies, and these clans are allies." I think some, like the Blackrocks and Warsongs, for example, could easily go back and forth of their own accord rather than just being a list of expansion bosses.
I concur.
Also, since the final boss is not even an orc, it shows me that the Iron Horde is not even the MAIN enemy of the game. Much like how the Mogu weren't the main enemy of MoP and were just an earlier threat that we got out of the way relatively quickly.
It does makes me wonder one thing though:
Why did they spoiled the endgame boss for MoP and not WoD?
I'm not complaining, I like surprises, but I can't recall why exactly did they chose to reveal that Garrosh and the Siege of Orgrimmar would be the final battle of MoP as early as blizzcon, but this time they saw fit to keep the final enemy a complete secret and only tell us that it wont be an orc or a demon. What has changed now?
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