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Post by
Rankkor
Well Sun realli didn't go insane, since she was already dead once we confront her in the Vale of Eternal Sorrows.
On another note; who thinks Zaela survived SoO?
A: I said
Suna
, not Sun.
and
B: Devs confirmed on twitter that she survived, (we never really see her die on her fight, she falls of Galakras and then we're too busy dealing with the giant pissed off ultra proto drake to worry about her). So its inevitable she will show up again in the future.
But it doesn't matter anymore. They "Jainafied" her. She's already dead to me. The badass female orc I admired is gone.
Post by
Stabhorn
Oh sorry; my mistake.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Well Sun realli didn't go insane, since she was already dead once we confront her in the Vale of Eternal Sorrows.
On another note; who thinks Zaela survived SoO?
A: I said
Suna
, not Sun.
and
B: Devs confirmed on twitter that she survived, (we never really see her die on her fight, she falls of Galakras and then we're too busy dealing with the giant pissed off ultra proto drake to worry about her). So its inevitable she will show up again in the future.
But it doesn't matter anymore. They "Jainafied" her. She's already dead to me. The badass female orc I admired is gone.
Odds are she'll become the next leader of the Dark Horde. But does this make her more of a character, or less? Therein lies the question. She does have a future if you think of it that way, as now she no longer has a despot with which to be overshadowed by. And I doubt if she did remain under Orc Jesus, she'd ever get to do anything anyway. It might be for the best she sided with Garrosh.
As for Suna, well, her character never really was anything beyond 'her husband is missing/dead'. She was a one off character, we shouldn't really expect anything more from her.
As for Tyrande...If we ever do finally go after the naga, I sincerely hope Blizzard has her on the front lines commanding the armies. If Azshera gets pawned off as anyone other than her nemesis, I believe we can give up. Even Thrall.
Especially Thrall!
So there is still hope for the females of warcraft, but only as long as Blizzard is willing to tell the stories they were born to be. But that is the most volatile part of it.
Post by
Stabhorn
Well does Azshara really even have a nemesis? She only talked to Tyrande once before the Sundering. If I got to pick they way Azshara died, it would be at the hands if Sargeras. Even though she 'serves' the Old Gods, I doubt she has just given up on the Dark Titan.
Post by
Adamsm
Vashj was Tyrande's nemesis, since Azshara was playing people puppets with her lady's; she made it seem like she intended to make Tyrande a hand maiden, Vashj went nuts, and tried to kill Tyrande.
Post by
Rankkor
Rank, if I make another post I'm going to actually get angry, so let's agree to disagree, yes?
/sighs
Fine lets drop it, its not worth getting upset over this.
Vashj was Tyrande's nemesis, since Azshara was playing people puppets with her lady's; she made it seem like she intended to make Tyrande a hand maiden, Vashj went nuts, and tried to kill Tyrande.
I always got the vibe that Malfurion was the archnemesis of Azshara.
Of course, she may have a massive conflict of interests if the legion ever returns, she had a MASSIVE crush on Sargeras (eww) but now she is the minion of the supreme enemies of Sargeras.
Post by
Adamsm
It wasn't a true crush so much as she believed that only a 'God' was worthy of being her husband. At this point, I don't think she'd go back to the Legion and would just wipe them out if they returned....in her name, as opposed to the Old Gods.
Edit: Since at this point, barring the Guardian, She is the most powerful magic user on the planet, now that the Aspect of Magic is gone.
Post by
Rankkor
I think the whole guardian thingie is gone and is never gonna come up again. Me'dan needed the council to be empowered with his mary sue god mode status, and the new council of tirisfal is all but evaporated. With Jaina going Azula-mode I doubt its gonna keep together at all.
Post by
Stabhorn
I think Malfurion was Xavius' nemesis. I don't recall if Azshara personally talked to any of the good guys except Tyrande.
Post by
Adamsm
I think the whole guardian thingie is gone and is never gonna come up again. Me'dan needed the council to be empowered with his mary sue god mode status, and the new council of tirisfal is all but evaporated. With Jaina going Azula-mode I doubt its gonna keep together at all.
I'm sure they can find replacements, especially since Jaina has gone nuts. It would be a way to try to keep the groups as allied as possible.
Post by
Monday
/sighs
See, this is exactly what I think about this. No matter what I say, if it's about the Alliance, I'm always wrong. Always. It doesn't matter if it's a subjective opinion or not; I'm just wrong.
If I say how good the Alliance is doing? Horde are better. How bad the Alliance are doing? Horde are poor little persecuted babies. I like an Alliance quest? Horde version is objectively better. I like an Alliance character? There's a Horde analogue who is objectively better. I like an Alliance storyline? Horde storylines from before or concurrently are better, or I'm a prick for liking it when the Horde get the short end of the stick.
And it never. Bloody. Ends. You all know how much I dislike getting annoyed at anything, really, but this is something that is REALLY grating on my nerves. It's been happening foe a long time, bit I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings and say something.
Well, that time is past, now isn't it? People can have other bloody opinions without being told how objectively wrong they are all the time.
And typing this from a phone was really annoying. Took a lot longer than it would have otherwise...
Post by
Rankkor
Hmmm lil bro' maybe my wording implied otherwise but I don't recall ever saying that you're wrong. I simply stated that I disagree with your opinion had have a different one of my own. When you say your favorite characters, sometimes I'll say which ones are mine, just because mine are different I'm not saying that yours suck and you suck for not picking mine.
If that was the implication you thought my posts had, I apologize but that's not really what I meant at all.
And that *sighs* on my post was one of agreement, that discussion got more heated than it should, and I was simply stating that the both of us needed to take a deep breath and simply change the topic.
Come on man =( you know I have nothing against you.
Post by
Stabhorn
The Alliance do have plenty of quests that I enjoyed. I am a Horde player, but the Alliance have plenty of stuff the same or better than the Horde do.
Post by
Monday
Okay, no longer mad. I was having kind of a rough morning (though that's no excuse).
I think my main problem was, for example, Neon was talking about how she liked a questline ('cause it had her name in it) and you basically responded "Doesn't matter, Horde is better."
That
is the kind of thing that bothered me
Post by
Rankkor
Okay, no longer mad. I was having kind of a rough morning (though that's no excuse).
I think my main problem was, for example, Neon was talking about how she liked a questline ('cause it had her name in it) and you basically responded "Doesn't matter, Horde is better."
That
is the kind of thing that bothered me
And in that example I was simply stating a personal opinion, and explained why I liked the horde one and didn't enjoyed as much the alliance one (for one, the alliance one had a few plot holes in it) If you recall correctly, the reason she liked the alliance one better was a personal reason (she loves the voice of Rell and one of the characters has her name) and my reason was actually nearly identical to hers, since I liked the horde version better because I LOVE Riku the Hozen.
So we both agreed that the reason we each enjoyed our respective questlines was essentially the same (attachment to a character).
=/
Post by
Skreeran
Horde's totally better though...
:P
Post by
oneforthemoney
Horde's totally better though...
:P
Your link led nowhere.
This is either incredibly profound or an error.
Post by
Skreeran
Oh. I accidentally typed it as "wowhead.com/wowhead.com/npc=43646."
This should be the right one.
Post by
Adamsm
And I'm with Funden now Rank...that guy in the SoO thread is a straight up loonie.
Post by
Rankkor
And I'm with Funden now Rank...that guy in the SoO thread is a straight up loonie.
I'm not arguing he wasn't. I'm just saying that I agreed with his initial point (despite being very poorly exposed) that the horde received MASSIVE humiliation in this expansion, so blizz better deliver some badly needed moments of awesome in the next expac.
The alliance had already an entire expansion made of nothing more than pure victories, now its our turn.
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