This site makes extensive use of JavaScript.
Please enable JavaScript in your browser.
Live
PTR
10.2.7
PTR
10.2.6
Beta
General Lore Discussions
Post Reply
Return to board index
Post by
morginar
Fixed the link. Also, first time we actually ever see Gallywix, and he's still not looking like he should.
He took a diet?
Post by
Stabhorn
Fixed the link. Also, first time we actually ever see Gallywix, and he's still not looking like he should.
He took a diet?
Wasn't that just fan art though?
Post by
Rankkor
Fixed the link. Also, first time we actually ever see Gallywix, and he's still not looking like he should.
He took a diet?
Wasn't that just fan art though?
This doesn't look like the fanart section of the main website.
Post by
Stabhorn
Does anyone have the quest text for the quest; Last Gasp of Y'Shaarj?
Post by
Snake387
The Last Gasp of Y'Shaarj
Post by
Stabhorn
Thanks Snake.
Post by
Monday
Rank, I would've sworn that guy in the SoO thread was you, except he's in the EU.
And you're more intelligent =P
Post by
morginar
Rank, I would've sworn that guy in the SoO thread was you, except he's in the EU.
And you're more intelligent =P
What SoO thread? And who resemble our beloved Rankkor?
Post by
Monday
It's in WoW General.
Post by
Rankkor
I must repeat morginar's question, what SoO thread? I just checked general and can't see it. If it was deleted, what was it about?
Also, I just did the second wing of SoO today and noticed something that, while sad, also made me smile.
Neeru Fireblade finally got his comeuppance
Post by
Adamsm
The discussion about the new wing being open; the blog topic Rank.
Post by
Stabhorn
Rank only said one thing in that thread and it was a sad face in reply to me acknowledging Nazgrim's death.
Post by
Monday
I must repeat morginar's question, what SoO thread? I just checked general and can't see it. If it was deleted, what was it about?
Also, I just did the second wing of SoO today and noticed something that, while sad, also made me smile.
Neeru Fireblade finally got his comeuppance
Rank:
http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=220552
Post by
Rankkor
ahhh kk.
Well, after reading it, while the way he exposed his points was terrible, I kinda agree with him.
Come on :S alliance players have now canonically invaded our capitals TWICE, wereas we haven't set foot in there even once. That's nowhere near fair.
And as for the supposed "humiliation" that the alliance received in cata, they gave almost as good as they got. Cata was an expansion where alliance forces killed lots of horde (night elves eradicating the trolls in darkshore, repelling the attack on astranaar, taking out 3 horde bases (Honor Stand, Taurajo, and a good chunk of stonetalon) along with traditional military defeats on the horde.) just as horde forces killed lots of alliance.
You make cata sound a lot worse than it actually was. At no point was the alliance depicted as the bad guys, at no point you were forced to fight your own people, a lot of the tragedies that happened to the alliance were not due to the horde (I'm talking stormwind getting damaged, gnomeregan not getting reclaimed, etc) and while you suffered a lot of defeats, you also gained several victories and gained new grounds.
Compare that to MoP which was completely devoid of any semblance of balance whatsoever. There was not a single horde victory, or even a single moment that made you proud to be horde, we just lost, and lost, and lost and lost and lost without gaining anything at all.
Face it man, you'd be royally pissed if the sides were reversed. And by that I mean if we had gotten your treatment in cata, and you had gotten ours in MoP.
The horde had it WAY worse in MoP than the alliance had in cata. In cata you suffered minor defeats at low, middle-of-nowhere places. You got attacked on ashenvale? who cares, you repelled them. Same as how you attacked Durotar and we repelled you. Ohh you got attacked in gilneas? who cares, you repelled them. Same as how you attacked Azshara and we repelled you. This goes on and on. For every lost, there was a win in cata.
Now you name me a list of victories for the horde in MoP.
The expansion even ends with the horde only suriving because the alliance lets them live, not because we're strong or anything. That's more than a defeat, that is a humiliation. And while the alliance suffered defeats in cata, they weren't humiliated in any way.
So sorry lil bro' but I'm taking that guy's side (even if his way of exposing his points stinks)
Post by
470415
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Technically, the Horde won in the Vale of Eternal Blossoms. And Throne of Thunder, I suppose what with the Blood Elves (and if their rescuing the Sunreavers stuck in Dalaran didn't make you proud, what do you need?).
As for the Horde losing constantly in MoP, that was explained by the lack of unity because Garrosh had gone off the deep end. When your force is crippling itself with infighting that will take a toll. But even then the Horde managed to fight the Alliance to a constant stalemate, as in Krasarang with Lion's landing and its Horde counterpart. In fact...which battles did the Horde lose in MoP? Aside from SoO, I suppose. If you can call it an Alliance only victory...
Post by
Rankkor
Technically, the Horde won in the Vale of Eternal Blossoms. And Throne of Thunder, I suppose what with the Blood Elves (and if their rescuing the Sunreavers stuck in Dalaran didn't make you proud, what do you need?).
What happened at the vale was a defeat for the horde forces. The REAL horde forces. The only ones who won were the deranged loyalists to garrosh. I'm talking about victories for the sane side of the horde.
And Throne of Thunder..... pfft. Jaina (and the alliance) take off with the power of a demigod, whereas we get the triple A batteries of a golem. Yeah that totally sounds like a nice victory. whoohooo.
And I don't see how exactly should I feel proud about seeing fellow blood elves exterminated left and right in dalaran, and having to sneak through the sewers rather than stand and fight.
In fact...which battles did the Horde lose in MoP?
We lost our airship less than 15 minutes after ariving in the jade forest (Which makes it the 8th gunship we lose, while the alliance has only lost two, and neither of those were to the horde)
We lost one of our best generals and a fan favorite character (nazgrim)
Everything involving the Divine Bell was a massive defeat. We lost several blood elves thanks to gary using them as cannon fodder, despite us doing all the legwork and all the digging and all the investigating, the alliance just swoops in, steals our research and makes off with the bell before we can reach it, when we take it back, we get kicked out of dalaran, and do we at least get to use the bell against alliance forces? no, we use it on our own (fail). Do we at least get to keep the bell for later use? nope.
We got to the island of thunder to get more power to give us an edge against alliance and garrosh, alliance makes off with the power of a demigod strong enough to solo Titan Watchers and Celestial Gods, we make off with the batteries of a golem.
in 5.1 alliance gets a scenario where they deliver a crushing and very humiliating defeat on us (including being turned into exploding chickens) and we get one were we have to fight our own, and see another fan favorite figure nearly be killed.
And last but not least, for the second time, alliance forces attack one of our capitals, and get away with it, the whole time reminding us that were it not for them, we'd never win against gary, and that after gary is down, we're only alive because they're letting us live, and on top of that, gotta make reparations for the crimes someone else made.
I think that about covers it.
Post by
oneforthemoney
What happened at the vale was a defeat for the horde forces. The REAL horde forces. The only ones who won were the deranged loyalists to garrosh. I'm talking about victories for the sane side of the horde.
Yeah, see, there's your problem. If you intend to count the victories dependent on the 'Real Horde' you get the Darkspear Rebellion. Otherwise? ...What? What is the Real Horde in Mists? What was the Real Horde before Garrosh tried to kill Vol'Jin? There was no Real Horde. There was THE Horde. Until the rebellion, the Horde was the Horde. Not two Hordes, just the one.
As for all those defeats, should we be counting them as defeats of the Real Horde, then you were never defeated. Oh! But, if we discuss of the Horde in general, what we have is Garrosh making things worse and it showing. Which...you know, is why we wanted to go kill him. All those were signs of Garrosh steadily losing control.
And by the way, losing the Gunship was soon followed by killing that entire camp and taking it over. Not so much a loss of a battle, as the Horde did eventually win it.
Post by
Monday
You make cata sound a lot worse than it actually was.
... are you screwing me?
Cata was an expansion where alliance forces killed lots of horde (night elves eradicating the trolls in darkshore, repelling the attack on astranaar, taking out 3 horde bases (Honor Stand, Taurajo, and a good chunk of stonetalon) along with traditional military defeats on the horde.) just as horde forces killed lots of alliance.
Let me lay it out, shall I?
Ashenvale: Burned and destroyed.
Southshore: Plaguebombed into oblivion.
Gilneas city: Captured by Forsaken
Gilneas: Pillaged and bombed with biological weapons
Stormwind: Burned and heavily damaged by Deathwing
Stonetalon: Nuked (by you guys) and scores of innocent druids killed.
Gnomeregon: recaptured and held against the gnomes.
Andorhol: Heavily implied to be taken by the Forsaken
Then, in MoP, Theramore, the human capital of Kalimdor and one of two major Alliance outposts in Kalimdor (the other being Darnassus) is nuked into oblivion.
Face it man, you'd be royally pissed if the sides were reversed. And by that I mean if we had gotten your treatment in cata, and you had gotten ours in MoP.
You know what they say about assuming (hint: it makes an ass out of you and me).
The horde had it WAY worse in MoP than the alliance had in cata.
Blatantly false. Bias talking. Horde always have it better or worse, depending on the argument at hand and whether someone is saying the Alliance was better or worse. If I was arguing that the Alliance kicked butt in Cata, you would (most likely) be here going on about the major Horde victories. I know this from experience.
Ohh you got attacked in gilneas? who cares, you repelled them.
Lolwut? Since when have the Horde been repelled from Gilneas? Currently, it's under complete Forsaken control (barring the small invasion into the capital, which is still up in the air).
Compare that to MoP which was completely devoid of any semblance of balance whatsoever. There was not a single horde victory, or even a single moment that made you proud to be horde, we just lost, and lost, and lost and lost and lost without gaining anything at all.
Reminds me of Cata and Thrall-Jesus. Horde did everything right and were so wise, whereas the Alliance just warmongered.
You got attacked on ashenvale? who cares, you repelled them.
Um, they weren't repelled. There's still a large Horde outpost smackdab in the center of Ashenvale, while most of the Alliance territory inside lies burned.
So sorry lil bro' but I'm taking that guy's side (even if his way of exposing his points stinks)
Of course you'll take his side. It's the Horde side. Whether or not it's patently, blatantly false is irrelevant.
The expansion even ends with the horde only suriving because the alliance lets them live, not because we're strong or anything. That's more than a defeat, that is a humiliation. And while the alliance suffered defeats in cata, they weren't humiliated in any way.
Sounds like a good repayment of the Thrall-Messiah act of Cataclysm.
Edit: This is a really aggressive post, and I apologize. I'm just absolutely sick of this. No matter what it is, Horde is always right. Who lost more? Why, the Horde did! Who won more, why, the Horde did! Who has the best characters? The Horde of course! Two sides of a questline? Horde side is better (despite these being completely subjective).
Post by
oneforthemoney
Ohh you got attacked in gilneas? who cares, you repelled them.
Lolwut? Since when have the Horde been repelled from Gilneas? Currently, it's under complete Forsaken control (barring the small invasion into the capital, which is still up in the air).
I think the Forsaken quest chain involves them being forced out of the country, but stealing the Alliance's momentum via kidnapping and ransoming of Crowley's daughter.
Then Sylvanas got shot.
Post Reply
You are not logged in. Please
log in
to post a reply or
register
if you don't already have an account.