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Post by
morginar
Sabellian went to Outland at Deathwing's request originally
Over twenty years ago yes. But the long term exposure to outland might have done something to his taint.
Post by
Stabhorn
Sabellian went to Outland at Deathwing's request originally
Over twenty years ago yes. But the long term exposure to outland might have done something to his taint.
Yes I think that being so far away from the Old Gods has stilled their taint in him and his brethren; although it could resume if he leaves Outland.
Post by
morginar
Sabellian went to Outland at Deathwing's request originally
Over twenty years ago yes. But the long term exposure to outland might have done something to his taint.
Yes I think that being so far away from the Old Gods has stilled their taint in him and his brethren; although it could resume if he leaves Outland.
He might have some sort of resistance towards it. Like how the human body get resistance towards diseses after geting sick.
The wyrmcult might just be black dragons who had old gods in their mind their enitire life from birth and only knew the path of chaos, death, destruction and evil.
Post by
Stabhorn
Sabellian went to Outland at Deathwing's request originally
Over twenty years ago yes. But the long term exposure to outland might have done something to his taint.
Yes I think that being so far away from the Old Gods has stilled their taint in him and his brethren; although it could resume if he leaves Outland.
He might have some sort of resistance towards it. Like how the human body get resistance towards diseses after geting sick.
The wyrmcult might just be black dragons who had old gods in their mind their enitire life from birth and only knew the path of chaos, death, destruction and evil.
Well wouldn't Sabellian have had that since birth as well? We can only assume that
the Wyrmcult has gathered a resistance to the evil of the Old Gods as well.
Post by
morginar
Sabellian went to Outland at Deathwing's request originally
Over twenty years ago yes. But the long term exposure to outland might have done something to his taint.
Yes I think that being so far away from the Old Gods has stilled their taint in him and his brethren; although it could resume if he leaves Outland.
He might have some sort of resistance towards it. Like how the human body get resistance towards diseses after geting sick.
The wyrmcult might just be black dragons who had old gods in their mind their enitire life from birth and only knew the path of chaos, death, destruction and evil.
Well wouldn't Sabellian have had that since birth as well? We can only assume that
the Wyrmcult has gathered a resistance to the evil of the Old Gods as well.
Sabellian may or may not have been born before Neltharions corruption. As he is Deathwings child too. And it is impossible for him to be born on outland given his size.
Post by
Stabhorn
Sabellian went to Outland at Deathwing's request originally
Over twenty years ago yes. But the long term exposure to outland might have done something to his taint.
Yes I think that being so far away from the Old Gods has stilled their taint in him and his brethren; although it could resume if he leaves Outland.
He might have some sort of resistance towards it. Like how the human body get resistance towards diseses after geting sick.
The wyrmcult might just be black dragons who had old gods in their mind their enitire life from birth and only knew the path of chaos, death, destruction and evil.
Well wouldn't Sabellian have had that since birth as well? We can only assume that
the Wyrmcult has gathered a resistance to the evil of the Old Gods as well.
Sabellian may or may not have been born before Neltharions corruption. As he is Deathwings child too. And it is impossible for him to be born on outland given his size.
No he definitely wasn't born on Outland. I know that Nefarion is his clutch brother, (I'm pretty sure) so was Nefarion born after the War of the Ancients?
Post by
Adamsm
Since the Arrokka Spirits were attempting to summon that looks like an Old God, and the Harbringer in Arc talks about still hearing the Old Ones...distance doesn't seem to have anything to do with it.
There is still the fact that, as seen after that quest: All Black Dragons are corrupted by the Taint of the Old Gods.
Post by
morginar
Since the Arrokka Spirits were attempting to summon that looks like an Old God, and the Harbringer in Arc talks about still hearing the Old Ones...distance doesn't seem to have anything to do with it.
There is still the fact that, as seen after that quest: All Black Dragons are corrupted by the Taint of the Old Gods.
And the netherwing posses it to acording to Tyri. But the dragons of outland* seems unafected by the taint, it's there. It just don't whisper in their heads.
*Wyrmcult is just bunch of kid'os,
Who only know wicked'os.
Post by
Adamsm
They still regard Deathwing as their over all leader.
But honestly, it still means that the only uncorrupted Black is Wrath, since he was the only one cleansed of the taint.
Post by
morginar
They still regard Deathwing as their over all leader.
Give me a quote and link proving this and wyrmcult-Sabellian relations an i will admit defeat. You have yet to do so.
Post by
Adamsm
Sabellian
: He was described as his lieutenant in all things prior to the black Aspect's abandonment of Draenor.He acts the same way as Nalice and her brother do in Wrath; seeming to be 'good' but probably not. There is also the fact that again, and this is shown in game, they've admitted that the only uncorrupted is the Prince himself.
Post by
morginar
Sabellian
: He was described as his lieutenant in all things prior to the black Aspect's abandonment of Draenor.That was before outland... He acts the same way as Nalice and her brother do in Wrath; seeming to be 'good' but probably not.Well, we do not know if Sabellian is playing with us or not. He is trusting us with is identity. There is also the fact that again, and this is shown in game, they've admitted that the only uncorrupted is the Prince himself.
It has already been explained that Wrathion is not all knowing and has no idea that there are black dragons in outland. Thus he belived to be the last black dragon.
In short. You are posting theories, like me. Not canon lore. We do not know if sabellians is tainted or not, evil or not. Face it, hos fate is debatable, but we can't know for sure until blizzard uses him in the future.
Post by
Adamsm
That was before outland...And yet, he's still in Outland, still working with the Clutch, and was still trying to protect the Blacks; seems like he's still a loyal member of the Black Flight.
And he is tainted...he's a Black Dragon, born from Deathwing; that's a basic thing. All Blacks are corrupted by the taint of the Old Gods, whether they are born on Azeroth or Outland, because the taint is inside of them.
Post by
morginar
That was before outland...And yet, he's still in Outland, still working with the Clutch, and was still trying to protect the Blacks; seems like he's still a loyal member of the Black Flight.
Was he in cataclysm burning down things at the order of daddy or twilight hammer? And who would not desire to protect their children or kinsmen?
And he is tainted...he's a Black Dragon, born from Deathwing; that's a basic thing. All Blacks are corrupted by the taint of the Old Gods, whether they are born on Azeroth or Outland, because the taint is inside of them.
And we do not know if being on another planet, not hearing whispers. The taint goes dormant and tada, sanity.
But we do not know that, nor do we know if your words are the true ones Adams, his fate in unknown. And it would be a bit quick to judgment to belive just becouse the color of his scales he is a mad and that there are no gimmicky titan stuff there (to our knowlage).
Stop being so adamant on him being just like the majority of the blacks. Acept that he is a mystery, a mystery that will be solved in time.
Post by
Adamsm
Was he in cataclysm burning down things at the order of daddy or twilight hammer? Could say the same thing about Nalice and her brother then; but as seen in Twilight of the Aspects, when Nalice just suddenly vanishes from Wyrmrest, and then Wrath has the rogues hunt her down later, just because they were not there prominently does not make them less of a Black Flight member.
And Morginar, you need to accept that since canon lore is that all of the Blacks are tainted by the Old Gods due to coming from Deathwing, they are all corrupted, with only Wrath being the uncorrupted one, since he was born without the taint. Just because he's not praising the Old Ones, doesn't mean he's not hearing them...since again, there is evidence that the Old Ones can reach Outland; saw it in Shadowmoon Valley and the Arcatraz.
Post by
Stabhorn
Was he in cataclysm burning down things at the order of daddy or twilight hammer? Could say the same thing about Nalice and her brother then; but as seen in Twilight of the Aspects, when Nalice just suddenly vanishes from Wyrmrest, and then Wrath has the rogues hunt her down later, just because they were not there prominently does not make them less of a Black Flight member.
We don't know if Nalice actually was evil; she and several others may have been able to resist the whispers. Wrathion wiped them out without bothering to see if they could be saved.
Post by
Adamsm
Was he in cataclysm burning down things at the order of daddy or twilight hammer? Could say the same thing about Nalice and her brother then; but as seen in Twilight of the Aspects, when Nalice just suddenly vanishes from Wyrmrest, and then Wrath has the rogues hunt her down later, just because they were not there prominently does not make them less of a Black Flight member.
We don't know if Nalice actually was evil; she and several others may have been able to resist the whispers. Wrathion wiped them out without bothering to see if they could be saved.
Since Nalice took off just before everything went to %^&* at the Temple, I have a feeling she knew that the forces of the Twilight Father were on their way; and if she was truly 'good' then you'd think she would have warned the Flights what was coming.
Post by
Stabhorn
I doubt she was good; just not Deathwing's ally, otherwise she would have stayed with him.
Post by
Adamsm
I doubt she was good; just not Deathwing's ally, otherwise she would have stayed with him.
Even then: Why didn't she warn them about the assault on Wyrmest? She took off before the sanctums were destroyed, which means she had some idea of what was coming. And she may have been sent to the Temple as fake defector, and was meant to get their trust....because someone had to have been sneaking the Twilight people into the Temple.
Post by
Stabhorn
I doubt she was good; just not Deathwing's ally, otherwise she would have stayed with him.
Even then: Why didn't she warn them about the assault on Wyrmest? She took off before the sanctums were destroyed, which means she had some idea of what was coming. And she may have been sent to the Temple as fake defector, and was meant to get their trust....because someone had to have been sneaking the Twilight people into the Temple.
If she wasn't working with Deathwing; I doubt she knew it was coming. I don't think that even the Aspects saw the attack coming. As for sneaking in, who would have thought that Benedictus would betray them? He most likely smuggled cultists in, posing as priests or attendants.
Also on another note; why would Deathwing even try to attack the Temple? He clearly wasn't ready since his army didn't even break into the Temple at all. What he should have done was attack the Temple as soon as he summoned Ragnaros instead of messing around in Deepholm, Uldum and Mount Hyjal. I mean, he had the Firelands and the Skywall at his command, and he just let them run amok willy nilly. Bad planning on his part...
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