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Post by
oneforthemoney
That seems productive. not the brightest of bad guys apparently.
Wait...so remaining there, feeding off the Emperor's pride as he hide the continent, remaining hidden for centuries within the Vale itself, without the ultimate Sha hunters even realizing it was there, it not productive? Who knows how many beings it's influenced while remaining there; think of all of the prideful moves that both factions have made...where do you think that influence came from?
Free will would be a nice change.
Post by
Stabhorn
That seems productive. not the brightest of bad guys apparently.
Wait...so remaining there, feeding off the Emperor's pride as he hide the continent, remaining hidden for centuries within the Vale itself, without the ultimate Sha hunters even realizing it was there, it not productive? Who knows how many beings it's influenced while remaining there; think of all of the prideful moves that both factions have made...where do you think that influence came from?
Free will would be a nice change.
I agree, I don't think that the Sha of Pride is strong enough to affect people on other continents. And Garrosh was acting evilly before he ever sat foot on Pandaria.
Post by
Rankkor
That seems productive. not the brightest of bad guys apparently.
That's because the sha are not so much "Bad Guys" as they are a force of nature.
They don't have a plan, a purpose, a master scheme, they simply "are", they exist to propagate themselves across the land, to grow as more and more people display their specific emotion, they are like an infection, dangerous, harmful, but no extra goals other than spreading and surviving.
I agree, I don't think that the Sha of Pride is strong enough to affect people on other continents. And Garrosh was acting evilly before he ever sat foot on Pandaria.
None of the sha are strong enough to affect people on other continents because the mists kept Pandaria hidden from the world. And now that the mists are lifted, they still can't reach out across azeroth because millenia of being sealed or imprisioned have left them starved and considerably weak. The only of the seven that has managed to thrive is the Sha of Fear and see what it did to the entire Dread Wastes. That's how all of azeroth would look like if they ever got free and fully in control of any one monarch.
And while Garrosh was a jerk and an asshole long before he set foot in pandaria, it was only after setting foot in it that he went from "Extremist jerk with quasi-noble intentions but despicable methods" to "Complete and total megalomaniac totalitarian monster"
Post by
morginar
Forgot to add racist, and witless, senior Rankkor.
(It's a wonder how he managed the whole dalaran thing)
When the continent of Pandaria was discovered by Horde forces, Lor'themar and the blood elves were invited to help conquer the new land, but the sinister methods of Warchief Garrosh Hellscream led Lor'themar to reconsider his position. The regent lord initiated conversations with King Varian Wrynn, hoping to rejoin the Alliance,
but Garrosh sabotaged his diplomatic efforts by organizing a heist in Darnassus and focusing blame on the blood elves
. Now resigned to the eventuality of intra-factional war, Lor'themar awaits the right moment to rise up against Garrosh and restore the glory of his people.
Post by
Stabhorn
That seems productive. not the brightest of bad guys apparently.
That's because the sha are not so much "Bad Guys" as they are a force of nature.
They don't have a plan, a purpose, a master scheme, they simply "are", they exist to propagate themselves across the land, to grow as more and more people display their specific emotion, they are like an infection, dangerous, harmful, but no extra goals other than spreading and surviving.
The Sha of Fear certainly seemed to have a master plan. He was very vocal about it during the Shek'zeer encounter and in the Terrace when he said that his prison failed and now he would destroy the world blah, blah, blah...anyway, Violence as well expressed that he would never be chained again and Hatred targeted the Shado-Pan because they were his greatest foes.
Post by
Adamsm
That seems productive. not the brightest of bad guys apparently.
Wait...so remaining there, feeding off the Emperor's pride as he hide the continent, remaining hidden for centuries within the Vale itself, without the ultimate Sha hunters even realizing it was there, it not productive? Who knows how many beings it's influenced while remaining there; think of all of the prideful moves that both factions have made...where do you think that influence came from?
Free will would be a nice change.
I agree, I don't think that the Sha of Pride is strong enough to affect people on other continents. And Garrosh was acting evilly before he ever sat foot on Pandaria.
Did I say it was reaching out to other continents? I was talking about those who had traveled through the Vale, and then end up doing really stupid things. If you step foot on Pandaria and you have strong emotions, the Sha can get you; saw that very clear in the Vol'jin novel, as the human character was infected by the Sha of Doubt following the battle at the jade serpent statue.
Also Rank, you need to read the Vol'jin novel, it is incredible and soooo much better then Tides of War it's not even funny.
Post by
Stabhorn
That seems productive. not the brightest of bad guys apparently.
Wait...so remaining there, feeding off the Emperor's pride as he hide the continent, remaining hidden for centuries within the Vale itself, without the ultimate Sha hunters even realizing it was there, it not productive? Who knows how many beings it's influenced while remaining there; think of all of the prideful moves that both factions have made...where do you think that influence came from?
Free will would be a nice change.
I agree, I don't think that the Sha of Pride is strong enough to affect people on other continents. And Garrosh was acting evilly before he ever sat foot on Pandaria.
Did I say it was reaching out to other continents? I was talking about those who had traveled through the Vale, and then end up doing really stupid things. If you step foot on Pandaria and you have strong emotions, the Sha can get you; saw that very clear in the Vol'jin novel, as the human character was infected by the Sha of Doubt following the battle at the jade serpent statue.
Also Rank, you need to read the Vol'jin novel, it is incredible and soooo much better then Tides of War it's not even funny.
You didn't. Adamsm, I was just saying that Garrosh was already bananas before he reached Pandaria. (By that time, most of the sha were dead anyway; only Pride is left.)
Post by
Adamsm
However, you said that the Sha of Pride wasn't the 'brightest' of Bad Guys, yet, out of all of the Sha, it's been the only one who has not been hunted by the Shado-Pan for almost 10 thousand years...which, compared to a lot of WoW villains, means that it is head and shoulders ahead of them when it comes to intelligence.
Post by
Stabhorn
But he might as well have been imprisoned for all of the stuff he's done. In 10,000 years all he's done is throw some mist over Pandaria and feed off of Garrosh.
Post by
Rankkor
I was just saying that Garrosh was already bananas before he reached Pandaria. (By that time, most of the sha were dead anyway; only Pride is left.)
I don't really think the sha are completely dead. They are a force of nature permanently embedded in the land. They are raw emotion made manifest, and as long as people harbor their respective emotions with sufficient strenght and quantity (Hatred, fear, violence, anger, etc) they can recover. That's a result of the old god corpse that festers beneath the land.
Also bear in mind that garrosh may not have necesarily been affected by any sha except pride from the start. And who knows if that's what has been affecting other people as well.
Also adamsm I doubt the Sha of Pride has avoided capture due to intelligence. Instead, he has because of historic revisionism. The pandaren almost revere their emperor, but he never defeated the final sha, so its entirely possible that only the people of his generation, 10000 years ago knew that, and the historians chose to....... skim over that part when writing his tale. Notice how there's no record anywhere of this sha of pride, at all in pandaria, all the burdens of shaohao novels list only 6.
You can't hunt what you don't know exists in the first place. As an old saying goes "The devil's greatest trick, is to make humanity think he doesn't exist".
Also Rank, you need to read the Vol'jin novel, it is incredible and soooo much better then Tides of War it's not even funny.
I dunno, I'm finding it hard to have motivation for it when the plot is a foregone conclusion. Vol'jin survives, decides to stay on the horde, and leads the revolution. There's hardly any suspense when you already know the ending.
Still, if you can find a torrent for it, I can give it a try I guess. (I just suck at finding these things online U_U)
Post by
Adamsm
Also Rank, you need to read the Vol'jin novel, it is incredible and soooo much better then Tides of War it's not even funny.
I dunno, I'm finding it hard to have motivation for it when the plot is a foregone conclusion. Vol'jin survives, decides to stay on the horde, and leads the revolution. There's hardly any suspense when you already know the ending.
Still, if you can find a torrent for it, I can give it a try I guess. (I just suck at finding these things online U_U)
Can't find you a torrent for it right now, as I don't have internet yet at my new apartment. And while you may know the ending....you don't have the rest of the story; you don't see why he decides to stay, you don't see his weakening, you don't see his interaction with the Loa and the Zandalari....believe me man, it's is completely and utterly worth reading.
Also, I loved the interaction between Chen and his new woman; so much *!@#ing better then the crap that was in the Golden book.
Post by
Behelich
Sha of Pride is probably big on irony. Remember Gorehowl? The axe of pure awesome that freed the orcs from Mannoroth and has absolutely no place in filthy hands of Garrosh?
Weeeeeell...
Post by
Stabhorn
Sha of Pride is probably big on irony. Remember Gorehowl? The axe of pure awesome that freed the orcs from Mannoroth and has absolutely no place in filthy hands of Garrosh?
Weeeeeell...
I'm pretty sure that the Heart did that; the Sha of Pride is dead by the time Garrosh gets mutated.
Post by
Rankkor
Sha of Pride is probably big on irony. Remember Gorehowl? The axe of pure awesome that freed the orcs from Mannoroth and has absolutely no place in filthy hands of Garrosh?
Weeeeeell...
I posted that a long time ago, in fact check my own comment in that weapon's page.
Post by
Stabhorn
I just found there whispers of Y'Shaarj;
With each threat unraveled, a step closer to my realm.
Another blemish on your soul.
You will rest in Ny'alotha.
You should kill them all. You must kill them all.
Eyes are the windows to the soul. Shatter them forever.
Pluck their wings. Leave them broken.
Pay the cost of greatness.
All should bow before you. Make them!
All that you have accomplished, All that you have won, yet you still lick the boots of kings.
Carve more slowly, that I may feed.
Embrace your rage.
Caress your fear.
Gorge your hatred.
Voice your doubts.
When you'll walk among the black forest, you will see.
I can taste the essence of your soul... it is sweet...
You can never leave this place. There is no way home.
You will die when you leave this place. There is nothing left of your world.
You have already lost.
All of your friends are dead.
No one is coming to save you.
Your allies will leave you behind.
You cannot succeed. Your cause is hopeless.
Your allies think you are weak.
You do not have the strength to defeat him, you are too weak to carry on.
Post by
Rankkor
This was an interesting read.
I don't necessarily believe any of it (after all, speculation is just speculation, and the author of that thread made it clear that all of it was just pure speculation and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is confirmed) but it was an entertaining read nonetheless.
Post by
Stabhorn
That is interesting speculation. But in my opinion, that's sounds very boring. I don't care if there was a Tinker class, but the rest of it sounds very boring.
Post by
Rankkor
That is interesting speculation. But in my opinion, that's sounds very boring. I don't care if there was a Tinker class, but the rest of it sounds very boring.
hehehe you ever know. When blizzard announced Mists of Pandaria, I must admit I felt it was a very odd and strange choice for an entire expansion to be based on. I always thought that if they ever added pandaria, it would had been in a patch or as part of an expansion set on the many islands that we've yet to visit (South Seas expansion, with Pandaria, Kul Tiras, and Tel Abim).
But to base the whole expac in pandaria, and center it around the pandaren? I felt it was an odd choice, and not because I hate the pandaren or anything (perish the though :P I Love this race and I would had raised a fit if they had been added exclusively to the alliance and not the horde).
It turned out to be the best expansion I've played in a long time. Rivaling WOTLK which currently sits as my favorite. If the ending is satisfactory, then this expansion will have officially dethroned WOTLK for me as the best expansion ever.
Time will tell.
Post by
Stabhorn
That is interesting speculation. But in my opinion, that's sounds very boring. I don't care if there was a Tinker class, but the rest of it sounds very boring.
hehehe you ever know. When blizzard announced Mists of Pandaria, I must admit I felt it was a very odd and strange choice for an entire expansion to be based on. I always thought that if they ever added pandaria, it would had been in a patch or as part of an expansion set on the many islands that we've yet to visit (South Seas expansion, with Pandaria, Kul Tiras, and Tel Abim).
But to base the whole expac in pandaria, and center it around the pandaren? I felt it was an odd choice, and not because I hate the pandaren or anything (perish the though :P I Love this race and I would had raised a fit if they had been added exclusively to the alliance and not the horde).
It turned out to be the best expansion I've played in a long time. Rivaling WOTLK which currently sits as my favorite. If the ending is satisfactory, then this expansion will have officially dethroned WOTLK for me as the best expansion ever.
Time will tell.
I agree about this being definitely the best expansion. When it was first announced, the only thing I was excited for was the Mantid and the Sha. When Cataclysm came out, I was pumped for it, but it was disappointing, don't get me wrong, Blizz hasn't released an Expansion that I
haven't
liked. I guess time will tell.
I don't necessarily think that the Burning Legion will be next though; i would think that they would want to build the suspense first, perhaps Argus or something before the Burning Legion comes to Azeroth.
Also we have Azshara and the Old Gods waiting out there. I still think that they might combine the burning Legion and the Old Gods into one expansion.
Post by
Rankkor
Whelp, blizzard has trademarked/patented a new
game
And its not a book or anything, its an actual game. It could be the name of either the next wow expansion, or Diablo expansion. Its called "The Dark Below"
Time will tell, but for now, CHOW CHOW.
/munches.
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