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Post by
oneforthemoney
But then we have the theory that we
can't
kill the Old Gods; merely destroy their mortal shells. That's what I think. Perhaps, what the Titans meant by Azeroth would be destroyed if the Old Gods died, is that, in a way, the Old Gods
are
Azeroth.
Also, if C'Thun and Yogg are dead, where is their curse that should have destroyed us all?
They aren't really dead. Like Adamsm said, they've been lobotomized. Its more...their corporal forms are destroyed, but they still exist as a presence. Albeit in diminished capacity. Likely, they can regain their bodies or regenerate after a time, hence why the Titans sealed them and as a consequence
severely
weakened them. However, that takes a long while, but what is time to creatures like that?
For example, our good friend Cho'gall planned to revive C'Thun by sacrificing Med'an. So our concept of 'dead' doesn't really apply here in that it is permanent.
Post by
Stabhorn
Yea that's what I thought
Post by
Rankkor
But then we have the theory that we
can't
kill the Old Gods; merely destroy their mortal shells. That's what I think. Perhaps, what the Titans meant by Azeroth would be destroyed if the Old Gods died, is that, in a way, the Old Gods
are
Azeroth.
Also, if C'Thun and Yogg are dead, where is their curse that should have destroyed us all?
They aren't really dead. Like Adamsm said, they've been lobotomized. Its more...their corporal forms are destroyed, but they still exist as a presence. Albeit in diminished capacity. Likely, they can regain their bodies or regenerate after a time, hence why the Titans sealed them and as a consequence
severely
weakened them. However, that takes a long while, but what is time to creatures like that?
For example, our good friend Cho'gall planned to revive C'Thun by sacrificing Med'an. So our concept of 'dead' doesn't really apply here in that it is permanent.
Besides, there's that pesky detail that if we were to actually kill them for good, Azeroth would die with them. Hence why the titans weakened and locked them rather than kill them.
Post by
Adamsm
I don't think that's true anymore, especially with the death of Y'Shaarj confirmed; the world doesn't seem to be dying due to it not being around.
But, if the deaths of the Old Ones could possibly cause more beings like the Sha well.....
Post by
Stabhorn
I don't think that the Titans would have bothered to seal away his heart and make a guard if he was truly dead.
Post by
Rankkor
I don't think that's true anymore, especially with the death of Y'Shaarj confirmed; the world doesn't seem to be dying due to it not being around.
But, if the deaths of the Old Ones could possibly cause more beings like the Sha well.....
I dunno, we don't have an exact chronology of how long the war of the titans vs the old gods really lasted. For all we know, they could had killed Y'shaarj, and then the other old gods as a contingency plan, instated the curse of flesh to prevent the titans from finishing THEM off too.
Post by
1014404
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Post by
morginar
Question: Did the red dragonflight ever apologize for their part in the second war?
Post by
Behelich
Question: Did the red dragonflight ever apologize for their part in the second war?
They were enslaved by orc warlocks, so they have nothing to apologize for.
Post by
morginar
Question: Did the red dragonflight ever apologize for their part in the second war?
They were enslaved by orc warlocks, so they have nothing to apologize for.
Thats one way of looking at it.
But do you think the Blood Elves feel the same?
Given that humans still hold a grudge against the orcs, becouse of the first and second war.
Post by
Monday
Orcs went willingly with the Legion, the Red Flight did not.
Post by
morginar
Orcs went willingly with the Legion, the Red Flight did not.
Orcs were tricked?
.
I wish there was some blood elf and dragon relation/interaction displayed ingame.
Post by
Monday
A few were tricked, a large portion went willingly. They
knew
demon blood would give them power, they just didn't know the costs.
Post by
Adamsm
Question: Did the red dragonflight ever apologize for their part in the second war?
That's like asking all humans to apologize for what Alterac did; the only Reds used in the actual war were children, and barely had any sentience at the time they were ridden into battle and forced to attack Alliance held settlements...and Alexstraza was under the control of the Demon Soul, unable to attack the Orcs until it was shattered.
Post by
Rankkor
A few were tricked, a large portion went willingly. They
knew
demon blood would give them power, they just didn't know the costs.
Actually no, every single one of them were tricked, with the exception of Gul'dan and his hommies. Remember, all the shamans were lied to by Kil'jaeden posing as their ancestors to wage war with the draenei. This whole process wasn't instantaneous, it was a slow and steady corruption that took several decades, after well over 10+ years of fighting.
By the time the demon blood came, most orcs were overcome by the corruption of the warlocks (hence the green skin) and by years of war. Drinking the blood was akin to being forcefully enslaved by the dragon soul. The key difference is that the orcs were lied to in order to get to that point. It doesn't diminishes the blame completely, after all, even after being lied they still chose whether to folow up with the choice or not, but still, they were used by Gul'dan and the legion.
Having said that, I don't believe the dragons have anything to apologize for, given that they were never lied or tricked, they were forcefully enslaved, and they paid a very hefty price for it, Alexztrazsa herself lost 3 mates, and countless of her children.
Post by
Adamsm
A few went willingly, a large portion were tricked. They
knew
demon blood would give them power, they just didn't know the costs.
Fix that for you Funden.
Alexztrazsa herself lost 3 matesOnly two Rank; she had three at that time, the Elder, Krasus and an unnamed one who died when she was enslaved.
Post by
Rankkor
So its official, there WILL be a new warchief. While we still have to wait to see who's it gonna be (GRRRRRR) now we know that the warchief position wont just be abolished like what happened with the previous conundrum (Who's gonna be the new Earth Warder? NOBODY cuz there are no dragon aspects anymore)
Post by
Stabhorn
Which I also don't understand. the Aspects were made to fight off the Old Gods and now they are all gone. So is there still any way to defeat them if they were at their full power?
Post by
Rankkor
Well folks, here I am again with MORE audio clips. Once more, bear in mind, these are highly spoilerific, so watch at your own risk.
WRATHION
These are the audio clips for the legendary.
Epilogue of legendary quest
This is the epilogue of the legendary :P Wrathion is throwing a fit. if you'd like to know why, here's why. *SPOILERS*
Varian decides to not finish off the horde once Garrosh is defeated, he allows the horde to rebuild itself, and this goes against Wrathion's plan. He wanted one side to win the war and conquer the other entirely. If it was horde or alliance he didn't cared, he just wanted someone to conquer the other, so that there'd be only one unified faction to face the legion. Tong scolds him and tells him that the alliance and horde are not strong despite one another, but rather, they're strong BECAUSE of one another. The ending is just hilarious xD I really like Wrathion, I hope blizzard never makes us kill him ='( its bad enough that nazgrim (and possibly zaela) have to die on SoO
THRALL
This is the intro to the fight with garrosh. Its similar to what happens with Tirion and the Lich King. Thrall attacks garrosh, but is stunned and knocked unconscious and so we fight garrosh. Luckily, unlike Tirion and LK, we don't have to watch this 2 minute sequence every single time we do the garrosh fight.
SAURFANG
I am disappointed. Not only they changed his voice actor (seriously, the previous one sounded like optimus prime U_U) but also his role on the Siege is much diminished, you find him wounded BEFORE the fight with garrosh, it seems he and thrall infiltrated orgrimmar together in secret to dispose of garrosh on their own. This makes it unlikely that he'll play any role in Garrosh's death.
EITRIGG
Confirms what I said above, about saurfang. And HOLY CRAP that's one awesome voice for Eitrigg o_O
ZAELA
Well, it looks (for now at least) that there are no death sounds, so at least for now, it seems she lives. FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT'S HOLY BLIZZARD, DON'T KILL HER!!!!!!!!!!!!! T_T she's the LAST decent female character in this game, and already she's been derailed enough.
Aysa Cloudsinger (Leader of the Alliance Pandaren if you don't remember her :P)
HA! I KNEW IT. I F***ING KNEW IT!!!! She DID had a thing for Ji Firepaw. :P Love it how she's willing to give the middle finger to the alliance and Varian's little speech of "I will not tolerate friendships behind enemy lines" because she loves her friend. Maybe there is still hope for her after all.
As a sidenote, it would be hilarious and perfectly in-character if when she's crying and begging Ji to not die, it turns out Ji was just pretending to be unconcious to hear her say those words, and then get up saying "I'M FINE" only to have Aysa kick his ass in a very "tsundere" kind of way. :P
NAZGRIM
='(
that's all I'm saying about this.
VOL'JIN
Sadly these don't reveal much, but I am amused at how he says "Tyrande!!" because even him is baffled at how ridiculous her accent sounds now :P
Double Irony because she's a night elf, and they think themselves superior to trolls, yet she now speaks like one.
Enjoy =]
Post by
Adamsm
Why is everyone but Aysa in caps?
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