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Post by
Snake387
I'll try and hear it then. Oh, and too more serious matters, Sylvanas is probably going to be the new horde leader.
Post by
oneforthemoney
I'll try and hear it then. Oh, and too more serious matters, Sylvanas is probably going to be the new horde leader.
Doubtful, as the other leaders would never agree to it. Unless she attempts a coup. However, she simply doesn't have the forces or power base in Kalimdor with which to do so.
Post by
Snake387
Well, once Garrosh is dead do you really think that the Alliance will give the horde a break? Probably not. So all Sylvanas has to do is withdraw her troops and let the rest of the horde suffer major losses for a bit until their literally begging her for her support. She gives them the support via warships and ta da, she's the newly elected warchief of the horde and if anyone does attack her she has the Valky'r available to resurrect her.
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morginar
Well, once Garrosh is dead do you really think that the Alliance will give the horde a break? Probably not. So all Sylvanas has to do is withdraw her troops and let the rest of the horde suffer major losses for a bit until their literally begging her for her support. She gives them the support via warships and ta da, she's the newly elected warchief of the horde and if anyone does attack her she has the Valky'r available to resurrect her.
Sylvanas is in the horde for mutal benefit, horde support her and vice versa.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Claiming power and then holding it are two very different things. Sylvanas lacks the ability to send such aid across the sea, as she is still embroiled in a war in Lordaeron. If she pulls her troops out to try and enforce her strength in the remote shores of Kalimdor she'll lose one or the other very quickly, and only be the weaker for it.
As for the other Horde leaders accepting her leadership at all, that is even more unlikely. She has made no friends there, and even the Blood Elves are wary of her these days, and their loyalties to the Horde are tenuous at best. Neither Bane nor Vol'jin would be willing to accept someone who would abandon them at a moments notice just to secure a power place. The Horde is a collection of alliances, and if Sylvanas makes such a play she will lose all support for her own war, and will be overrun.
Not to mention that her own people might be less than enthused by such a move, let alone those she would now be trying to 'rule'.
Post by
Snake387
The war in Lordaeron should be easily won because the Vall'kyr and the lesser Val'kyr can just turn the humans (which make up the majority of the Scarlet Crusade) in the Scarlet Monastery into forsaken. Problem solved. And the alliance would be able to bring the horde down to their knees if they are any kind of military tacticians. The Horde's survival would depend on the forsaken.
Well, once Garrosh is dead do you really think that the Alliance will give the horde a break? Probably not. So all Sylvanas has to do is withdraw her troops and let the rest of the horde suffer major losses for a bit until their literally begging her for her support. She gives them the support via warships and ta da, she's the newly elected warchief of the horde and if anyone does attack her she has the Valky'r available to resurrect her.
Sylvanas is in the horde for mutal benefit, horde support her and vice versa.
And Sylvanas really values playing by the rules dosen't she?(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##ElhonnaDS##DELIM##Please don't double post.
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morginar
Neither Bane nor Vol'jin would be willing....
To much batman?
Or has our Baine a secret identity?
Well, once Garrosh is dead do you really think that the Alliance will give the horde a break? Probably not. So all Sylvanas has to do is withdraw her troops and let the rest of the horde suffer major losses for a bit until their literally begging her for her support. She gives them the support via warships and ta da, she's the newly elected warchief of the horde and if anyone does attack her she has the Valky'r available to resurrect her.
Sylvanas is in the horde for mutal benefit, horde support her and vice versa.
And Sylvanas really values playing by the rules dosen't she?
Sylvanas gain horde support in Lordaeron and she support them in Kalimdor, it's a win win deal there.
Post by
oneforthemoney
The war in Lordaeron should be easily won because the Vall'kyr and the lesser Val'kyr can just turn the humans (which make up the majority of the Scarlet Crusade) in the Scarlet Monastery into forsaken. Problem solved. And the alliance would be able to bring the horde down to their knees if they are any kind of military tacticians. The Horde's survival would depend on the forsaken.
Unfortunately, the Scarlet Monastery does not have quite the number of troops you envision. It has a fair number of paramilitary crusaders holed up within, this is true, but hardly in numbers that would make a sizable impact in the overall war effort. As for the Alliance bringing the Horde to their knees, that has been a work in progress since Vanilla (though picked up in Cataclysm). The Horde are not dunderheads when it comes to warfare, hence why the conflict remains raging.
Sylvanas can't afford to wage a war on two fronts. Much less a second one so far away and whose allies would be very resentful of their presence.
Post by
Snake387
So if the Scarlet Monastery doesn't have a lot of troops then why are they such a major threat? And the alliance should be able to accept an opportunity where the horde would temporarily have no leader and the resulting bickering over the next warchief. And Morginar, Sylvanas wants power. A lot of it. Also, she could get a wave of horde reinforcements to come over from Silvermoon or Kalimdor to help her finish of the scarlet monastery.
Post by
oneforthemoney
The Scarlets are considered a threat because they are a fanatical insurrectionist force deep within the Forsaken's own lines. Even small in number, they can do incredible amounts of damage to Forsaken operations and war effort.
Post by
morginar
As far as i have observed Sylvanas Windrunner desire lies with a continiued existance of herself and the forsaken.
Post by
oneforthemoney
As far as i have observed Sylvanas Windrunner desire lies with a continiued existance of herself and the forsaken.
Let's not get into that. It is what The Future of Lordaeron thread is for.
Post by
Snake387
The Scarlets are considered a threat because they are a fanatical insurrectionist force deep within the Forsaken's own lines. Even small in number, they can do incredible amounts of damage to Forsaken operations and war effort.
Don't they have those chemical weapons they used against Southshore? That would easily destroy the Scarlet Monastery. A highly paid traitor would do the same.
Post by
oneforthemoney
The Scarlets are considered a threat because they are a fanatical insurrectionist force deep within the Forsaken's own lines. Even small in number, they can do incredible amounts of damage to Forsaken operations and war effort.
Don't they have those chemical weapons they used against Southshore? That would easily destroy the Scarlet Monastery. A highly paid traitor would do the same.
The Scarlets don't really need to worry about traitors, again being a fanatical military force clustered in a small location and cut off from the outside. As for use of Blight, the Forsaken would likely want the place for a fortress, if they could even get their catapults in there. The region around the monastery is extremely rocky, steep, and has only one heavily defended road leading in. Not exactly siege engine friendly.
Post by
Monday
The Scarlets are considered a threat because they are a fanatical insurrectionist force deep within the Forsaken's own lines. Even small in number, they can do incredible amounts of damage to Forsaken operations and war effort.
Don't they have those chemical weapons they used against Southshore? That would easily destroy the Scarlet Monastery. A highly paid traitor would do the same.
The Scarlets don't really need to worry about traitors, again being a fanatical military force clustered in a small location and cut off from the outside. As for use of Blight, the Forsaken would likely want the place for a fortress, if they could even get their catapults in there. The region around the monastery is extremely rocky, steep, and has only one heavily defended road leading in. Not exactly siege engine friendly.
This ^
Also, the Crusaders have the Light. While they may be small in number, they can be incredibly deadly to the average Forsaken soldier.
Post by
Stabhorn
Can Y'Shaarj be resurrected while even one sha still lives?
Post by
Adamsm
The chance of Sylvanas being the Warchief is the same chance as Anduin taking the spot: Slim to none. None of the other Horde races would follow her.
Can Y'Shaarj be resurrected while even one sha still lives?
Probably not, since It is the only confirmed fatality of the Old Gods, and that killing It also killed the Titan who did the deed.
Post by
Stabhorn
Probably not, since It is the only confirmed fatality of the Old Gods, and that killing It also killed the Titan who did the deed.
I think that titans thought that Y'Shaarj is 'very, very dead' when they left what would be Pandaria. But I don't see how Y'Shaarj can be dead since his Heart is still beating. And if the Titans thought that Y'Shaarj was dead; why did they bother to chain his heart inside a maximum security vault with its own Titan Watcher to guard it. Also, it was C'Thun who slew and was slain by a Titan. C'Thun either was so close to death that the Titans dismissed him for dead or he actually did die. Either way, he returned. After his death in Ahn'Qiraj, Cho'Gall, who at the time was mortal, was granted unfathomable power by a
dead
Old God, conversed with a dead Old God and very nearly resurrected C'Thun. And C'Thun showed much less signs of life than what Y'Shaarj is showing now. As Herald Volazj said, 'They do not die; they do not live. They are outside the cycle.'
Post by
Adamsm
Stabhorn, go read what the Klaxxi tell you...it's been confirmed that it was Y'Shaarj who was killed during the Ordering.
Also....the whole 'with it's last breath, it breathed fourth the 7 Sha'.
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