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Post by
Behelich
The General Lore Discussions Thread: Where most people preach that neither Alliance nor Horde is good or evil, and when someone blackwashes or whitewashes something over the top, try to wash it back.
Except the forsaken. Seriously, screw those guys.
E: Also, don't you go dissing Rank, Sold. Yes he
does
take lore seriously, and yes he's a horde fan, get over it.
Post by
Adamsm
Yep, yep, there we go, if it was Varian, you'd say it was true.Sold, for once in your life, read what is written: I would never declare the entire Alliance as following behind one leader....but you seem fine to do that to the Horde.
Random text, seriously, this is a member of the horde speaking about his warchief to alliance and horde players, why in the bloody hell are you so adamant to just shrug it off like it means anything? Does it ever cross your mind that since MOP garrosh has been ordering his forces to not spare children? Or that his speech in stonetalon was a lie? My &*!@ing god, what is with you guys and denying lore that goes against your pre-concieved notions of the story? Jesus tap dancing christ, it's like you can't stand to see any character or any part of the story change in any way shape or form.Text in question comes from a
Tauren
; it's the same as if you saw a human making comments like that about the Orcs...oh no wait, those exist, but you whitewash them away....just like you are saying we do. And no, it hasn't because it #$%^ing hasn't; there is no lore to prove it's true.
You're free to manually search through this very thread and find the article I linked that was Metzen saying Garrosh has been doing nasty stuff beneath orgrimmar. It's been confirmed that he has been doing nasty stuff beneath org, we've discussed this a while back, your memory must not be very good (or it's selective memory, I'm leaning on the latter), just not that it's what's been going on in RFC in MOP, though anyone who doesn't desperately want Garrosh to not be turned into a villain, or anyone who is open or is can at least tolerate change to the story will put two and two together (garrosh doing bad stuff beneath org, RFC being beneath org with bad experimentational stuff going on down there) and say it's most likely, like 99.99% likely that that's what he's been doing.We've already seen a back pedal from Blizzard regarding Garrosh; it looks like we aren't killing him now, but we'll still fight him...so yes, we still haven't seen this 'nasty' stuff under Orgrimmar...because it's not actually there yet. It also doesn't say squat.(##RESPBREAK##)16##DELIM##asakawa##DELIM##I removed the last line from this post. It was not good.
Post by
Rankkor
Know what? this is the part where I prepare a response to defend my point of view, but then I remembered who I'm talking to and decided its not worth it.
Believe what you want sold, I don't really give a flying rat's ass.
nobody here does.
nobody.
Edit: I also find laughable your rants against me, considering you're the guy who not too long ago dismissed EVERYTHING wrong the alliance has done to basically: "Those are bad apples" "That was a retcon" "We don't know who send them" "that doesn't count"
Post by
588688
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Post by
Rankkor
Just saying, it's always flavor text, propaganda, or a joke when it's something negative about the horde, or something positive about alliance.
Because in YOUR case, it always is.
Example of a bad action of the horde that's undeniably bad and its not flavor text, propaganda, or jokes: Enslaving the non-combatants on Gilneas. Raising the dead as new forsakens. Using chemical weapons.
Those I don't deny. But here, you are taking the RUMORS as tangible facts. There is no confirmation WHATSOEVER that garrosh suddenly approves the killing of children. NONE. if you have found any info, please provide it, otherwise, please SHUT UP.
You always love to grasp even the tiniest straws to make your long-winded self-righteous posts against the horde, and quite frankly, its annoying as frick.
like you did by saying that the horde prisoners on the alliance gunship that crashed on the wandering isle were horde who helped take down deathwing that the alliance imprisoned as soon as the fight was over.
Seeing as even
wowpedia
agrees, the one here who refuses to open the eyes is YOU.
There are multiple cases of in-universe slandering by opposing factions in this game. Between scryers vs aldors, between alliance vs horde, between frenzyheart vs wolvar, between Explorer's League vs Reliquary, and now between pro-garrosh and Pro-thralls.
its common.
And its meaningless. Just because one sunwalker calls all the pro-garrosh child killers doesn't mean they actually do it, seeing as the ONE instance where non-combatants were confirmed was harshly punished. But noooooooo your word is the almighty one on the universe, if you say everything garrosh did on stonetalon was an act, BY THE MIGHT OF SOLDRETHARUS MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE, IT SHALL BE SO.
Then you wonder why we don't take you seriously.
its YOUR interpretation the one that counts.
Post by
996484
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Post by
Adamsm
it looks like we aren't killing him now, but we'll still fight him
I'm glad, it would have been horrible story telling if they put all this effort into a character just to one off him.
But what makes you say this?
Saw some posts from the Blues that make it seem like the end of Garrosh isn't just a simple kill him dead scenario.
Post by
588688
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Post by
Rankkor
it looks like we aren't killing him now, but we'll still fight him
I'm glad, it would have been horrible story telling if they put all this effort into a character just to one off him.
But what makes you say this?
Saw some posts from the Blues that make it seem like the end of Garrosh isn't just a simple kill him dead scenario.
Whatever they do to him, I just hope we don't keep him. If they're not gonna kill him, lock him up on some dark hole, and throw away the key.
I really had enough of that bonehead.
Post by
Adamsm
Whatever they do to him, I just hope we don't keep him. If they're not gonna kill him, lock him up on some dark hole, and throw away the key.
I really had enough of that bonehead.
I'm hoping for a true redemption this time around, and not the half-ass Lich King one.
Post by
Rankkor
ohhh god no :S some people are best just removed. I mean, would you like it if they bring back Illidan and redeem him?
Post by
Adamsm
ohhh god no :S some people are best just removed. I mean, would you like it if they bring back Illidan and redeem him?
Heh, you know I wouldn't; but that being said, they put all that attempted character development into Garrosh, the least they can do is actually do something with it for once. Fine, have him possessed by the Sha, let us fight him, get it out of him, and have Thrall take back the Warchief spot....but put Garrosh into the commander spot of the army that Saurfang used to have.
Post by
asakawa
The recent discussion in this thread has been far too personal and that has to
stop
.
Rankkorr, Adamsm and Solrethar please discuss the points not each other. If you really can't direct your response at the points raised and feel you need to address the poster then I am asking you to please just don't post at all.
Post by
Rankkor
(##RESPBREAK##)16##DELIM##asakawa##DELIM##This is what I'm talking about. Stop this.
If someone attacks you, report it and walk away. If you respond in kind then I have to moderate you too.For what is worth asakawa, the discussion WAS impersonal, until sold posted
this
And I'm not surprised that adamsm and rankorr are shrugging it off as "slander" or "flavor text" or "propaganda". Anything that makes the alliance look good or makes the horde look bad is "slander, flavor text, or propaganda". You guys go around preaching "oh neither side is good or evil" but then whitewash any bad horde action and blackwash every last insignifigant little thing the alliance has done, and any lore that opposes your views is "propaganda"
naturally, we called him out on it, and specified that he does the same.
This isn't the first time it has happened, and knowing him, it probably wont be the last time. Least I can say is I never fire the first shot.
Post by
588688
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Post by
Rankkor
Anyways, for those who are in the beta, 2 questions.
A: do we know what kind of animals we will hunt on the new Nessy safari? It was Tiger+Raptor+Panther+Super Tiger on vanilla, then Roc+Talbuk+Clefthoof+Ellek on TBC, and Alligator+Tiger+Rhino+Proto-dragon on WOTLK.
What animals is he hunting on MoP?
B: What (if any) dueling (joinable) factions are present on pandaria? on Vanilla it was those 2 centaur tribes on desolace, on TBC it was aldor and scryer, on WOTLK it was frenzyheart and oracle, on cata there wasn't really any, though technically the explorer's league and reliquary competed a little bit (though they don't really count, alliance players can't support the reliquary, and horde ones can't support the explorer's league)
Is there any dueling factions for us to join on MoP? or its just the 2 pandaren schools that join the alliance and horde?(##RESPBREAK##)16##DELIM##asakawa##DELIM##
Post by
Adamsm
/rollseyes.
Anyways, for those who are in the beta, 2 questions.
A: do we know what kind of animals we will hunt on the new Nessy safari? It was Tiger+Raptor+Panther+Super Tiger on vanilla, then Roc+Talbuk+Clefthoof+Ellek on TBC, and Alligator+Tiger+Rhino+Proto-dragon on WOTLK.
What animals is he hunting on MoP?Turtles, Wolves, Moshuns(giant lizards), Foxes and the legendary monster of the Lake(one of the weird cyclops monster); also it's both of them, Dad and Son.
B: What (if any) dueling (joinable) factions are present on pandaria? on Vanilla it was those 2 centaur tribes on desolace, on TBC it was aldor and scryer, on WOTLK it was frenzyheart and oracle, on cata there wasn't really any, though technically the explorer's league and reliquary competed a little bit (though they don't really count, alliance players can't support the reliquary, and horde ones can't support the explorer's league)
Is there any dueling factions for us to join on MoP? or its just the 2 pandaren schools that join the alliance and horde?
Not so far; Horde allies with the Jade Forest Hozen and the Alliance with the Jinyu....which comes back to bite everyone in the ass, since the warfare is what wakes up the Sha of Doubt; but after that point, you do see Jinyu and Hozen working together, though the Hozen remain as a steady group of enemies, similar to how we fight rogue race groups. And yeah, the two Pandaren schools are about the other group.
Post by
Behelich
I now think that Kael picked up his 'merely a set back' from Illidan. Because the latter says it almost word for word when KJ comes to the Black Citadel and yells at him.
Post by
Rankkor
Turtles
, Wolves, Moshuns(giant lizards), Foxes and the legendary monster of the Lake(one of the weird cyclops monster);
Turtles? Fox I can get it, same with wolves, but turtles? they're slow, cumbersome, and not even dangerous game. Odd choice for a game to hunt.
also it's both of them, Dad and Son.
o_O really? DAMN!
Also, it seems they really got tired of the mutually-exclusive, rival, joinable factions. We had none on cata, and now we have none on MoP U_U
What a shame.
I now think that Kael picked up his 'merely a set back' from Illidan. Because the latter says it almost word for word when KJ comes to the Black Citadel and yells at him.
really? its been so long since I played Frozen Throne that I don't remember.
Also o_O when did you changed your avatar to Bop Patiño? that is SO awesome.
Post by
Behelich
Turtles
, Wolves, Moshuns(giant lizards), Foxes and the legendary monster of the Lake(one of the weird cyclops monster);
Turtles? Fox I can get it, same with wolves, but turtles? they're slow, cumbersome, and not even dangerous game. Odd choice for a game to hunt.
Dragon Turtles from the Frozen Throne (who are used by naga instead of freakin' tanks. Think of it - heavily armored, amphibian tanks with enough firepower to level a city) want to have a word with you.
I now think that Kael picked up his 'merely a set back' from Illidan. Because the latter says it almost word for word when KJ comes to the Black Citadel and yells at him.
really? its been so long since I played Frozen Throne that I don't remember.
Also o_O when did you changed your avatar to Bop Patiño? that is SO awesome.
I quote, "Kil'Jaeden, I was merely set back!" Close enough to count.
And yes, Sideshow Bob is awesome, thanks for noticing =)
Also, Arthas may be many things, but in the end of the day he's still a grade-'A' BAMF.
"At least I'm still strong enough to do this."
BAM!
Uber-wyrm.
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