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Behelich
Lich Queen
The most inaccurate descriptions of Sylvanas ever. She's doing what she can to keep her people alive after losing devastating numbers in NR. For the first time ever, she actually cares about her people and doesn't just see them as tools to further her goals.
Whether she cares about her people or not is secondary, considering one simple fact - she murders the living and forcibly raises them into undeath. Just because her race cannot procreate cannot justify it.
Post by
Adamsm
She also has serious Manifest Destiny running through her mind....after all, look at what she does in Gilneas, Hillsbrad and Alterac and at Andorhol; only thing keeping her from striking further into the Plaguelands is Tirion.
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Post by
Behelich
Lich Queen
The most inaccurate descriptions of Sylvanas ever. She's doing what she can to keep her people alive after losing devastating numbers in NR. For the first time ever, she actually cares about her people and doesn't just see them as tools to further her goals.
Whether she cares about her people or not is secondary, considering one simple fact - she murders the living and forcibly raises them into undeath. Just because her race cannot procreate cannot justify it.
So you're saying that she is evil due to that. Then all of the alliance is also evil. End of discussion. All of the alliance is on par with Sylvanas.
Much as I hate to resort to memes and associated lexicon, lolwut? How is necromancy and weapons of mass destruction on par with
anything
the Alliance has done, including the infamous Taurajo massacre?
There were civilians killed there, but at least they were not raised and forced to fight their own kin.
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Adamsm
To the person who thought they were being clever by bringing up Sylvanas' short story. I've read that and if you actually read that, you'd see that it is the basis of my saying she actually cares about her people now and doesn't just see them as tools.As I said,
Alternative Character Interpretation
can put it at the other way, especially as she seems intent on bringing the 'glory' of Undeath to all of the kingdoms around what used to be Lordaeron: Gilneas, Hillsbrad, Alterac and portions of WPL have felt that. If the Ashbringer wasn't in Hearthglen, she'd probably would have keep going, destroying any living in her path and forcing all humans found to serve her as Forsaken...whether they want to or not.
So yes, the Lich Queen idea has merits, based on her own actions.
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Post by
Behelich
The death knights who raised the Scarlets into undeath are either a) of the Ebon Blade proper and therefore neutral or b) adventurers. Much like warlocks and their demon-worshiping/summoning ways, they are few and far between, and are barely tolerated, let alone encouraged, in the Alliance. Therefore, their actions - those of a small group of vigilantes very loosely associated with the colors they wear - and those of Sylvanas and her coterie - those approved in the highest echelons, coming from Horde's legal representative in the Eastern Kingdoms - cannot hold the same merit and be judged together.
So what you're saying is that, based on what you posted, Varian is the new lich king.
Even though people's dislike of Varian is reasonable (if exaggerated), what he has done is nothing compared to what Sylvanas has. Declaring a war is one thing - turning landmasses into barren wastelands filled with nothing but undead hordes is another.
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Adamsm
Lol wut? Since when did the Horde or the Alliance help in the DK starting zone....since that is an entire Scourge only area.....
As for the comment in regards to Varian: If he started using necromancy and forcing people to fight for him, then yes, you could label him as such.
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Behelich
Lol wut? Since when did the Horde or the Alliance help in the DK starting zone....since that is an entire Scourge only area.....
As for the comment in regards to Varian: If he started using necromancy and forcing people to fight for him, then yes, you could label him as such.
I think he is referring to that single quest in the Icecrown, against not the
Crusade
, but the
Onslaught
. Then again, there is no hard proof of the faction leaders (Horde
and
Alliance alike) even being aware of that.
Besides, comparing the Scarlets to the commonfolk is not a good idea.
Post by
Monday
Um, guys, why are we even listening to Crimson? From what I'm seeing, he looks like a new 4dehorde.
Post by
Adamsm
Lol wut? Since when did the Horde or the Alliance help in the DK starting zone....since that is an entire Scourge only area.....
As for the comment in regards to Varian: If he started using necromancy and forcing people to fight for him, then yes, you could label him as such.
I think he is referring to that single quest in the Icecrown, against not the
Crusade
, but the
Onslaught
. Then again, there is no hard proof of the faction leaders (Horde
and
Alliance alike) even being aware of that.
Besides, comparing the Scarlets to the commonfolk is not a good idea.
If he is...then he must be forgetting it's the Ebon Blade doing all of that rather.
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781960
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Post by
Behelich
Lol wut? Since when did the Horde or the Alliance help in the DK starting zone....since that is an entire Scourge only area.....
As for the comment in regards to Varian: If he started using necromancy and forcing people to fight for him, then yes, you could label him as such.
I think he is referring to that single quest in the Icecrown, against not the
Crusade
, but the
Onslaught
. Then again, there is no hard proof of the faction leaders (Horde
and
Alliance alike) even being aware of that.
Besides, comparing the Scarlets to the commonfolk is not a good idea.
If he is...then he must be forgetting it's the Ebon Blade doing all of that rather.
The death knights who raised the Scarlets into undeath are either a) of the Ebon Blade proper and therefore neutral or b) adventurers. Much like warlocks and their demon-worshiping/summoning ways, they are few and far between, and are barely tolerated, let alone encouraged, in the Alliance. Therefore, their actions - those of a small group of vigilantes very loosely associated with the colors they wear - and those of Sylvanas and her coterie - those approved in the highest echelons, coming from Horde's legal representative in the Eastern Kingdoms - cannot hold the same merit and be judged together.
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Post by
Adamsm
I'm guessing you've never quested in Icecrown. The ebon blade in icecrown had the help of the horde and alliance.
Notice what you just said; it's a neutral faction who has us do that, not an actual faction group....and the Blade raised those ghouls up for the purpose of dying as they destroy the Onslaught forces....compared to Sylvanas who in addition to committing regicide, then further desecrates their bodies by bringing back the slain as Forsaken who have two 'choices': Serve the Queen or die.
Edit: Actually, he accepts those who want to come back to the Alliance/Horde; after that point, they aren't 'true' members of the neutral faction anymore, as seen with Tharassian and Koltira in WPL.
Post by
Behelich
And they had the help of the horde and alliance. Varian accepted the EB members into the alliance.
That is not the same. If, say, the 7th Legion itself arrived to the Harbor to pour the ichor of undeath into the Scarlet's throats, then your point would have merit. But since people doing it are, again, vigilantes, not bound by any letter of the law with no one to oversee their actions...
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