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Adamsm
Probably the Horde themselves tell SI:7....since there are already quests in RFC from the Horde dealing with the corruption that already existed from the Burning Blade.
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Adamsm
Probably the Horde themselves tell SI:7....since there are already quests in RFC from the Horde dealing with the corruption that already existed from the Burning Blade.
Why would the horde tell them tho? The alliance and horde are at hardcore war at this point, I can't really think of any reason as to why the horde would want their help, that and the SI:7 have to sneak in. I can't really think of any reason as to how they would've known or even though anything might be going on down there, unless.......
....ya I'm drawing blanks here.
Since there's going to end up being two Horde by the end of Mists: Garrosh Loyalists against the Thrall Reclaimer forces.
Post by
Rankkor
Horde doesn't have a rogue faction
Soldrethar, Meet
The Shattered Hand Clan
(Whom infiltrated alliance territory way before those sissy SI:7 did, after all they ARE on the horde version of the revamped Deadmines, well into the kingdom of the alliance)
Add to them, the
Deathstalkers
(The BEST assassins in the world, given that unlike conventional spies and assassins, the DeathStalkers have no need to sleep, eat, rest, sleep, or even breathe. They never feel physically tired, can remain submerged in water indefinitely without any need to rise, and can wait as long as it takes for their target to arrive. They can even pose as corpses, since by all means, that is exactly what they are.) Compared to them, the SI:7 (and any other spy/rogue/assassin guild in the world) are little more than girl-scouts.
So...... what were you saying about the horde having no rogues?
and since nothing like that is going on with alliance, horde won't have any reason to go to the stormwind stockades.
what have we told you about drawing speculation?
that is bad, and it makes you look just as bad.
The alliance has just as many skeletons in their closet as the horde does, and for all we know, a corrupt politician on stormwind (don't you DARE to deny it, the stormwind's royal house of nobles, is made of some of the most corrupt and power-hungry people in the world, they've tried to kill varian 3 times already) could try to muster the stockades prisoners as his own private army.
Until we do have CONCRETE evidence, please avoid doing speculation and projecting your own obsession of "alliance = good. Horde = evil"
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Post by
Gone
Ive been thinking latley about how Sargeras and Kil'Jaeden and the rest of the legion needing portals to enter Azeroth. A lot of folk seem to think that it sbecause the planet has some kind of magical protection, but do you think it might just be that their so far away that its simply the more practical solution?
I mean lets say Argus or whatever the legions home base is, is in another galaxy or something, far enough away that it would take them year and years to make it to Azeroth, in this case a portals just the fastest way to get here since flying isnt reallt practical. I mean werent the Draenei flying around the cosmos for thousands of years before making it here? Anyway thats my theory, I just find it hard to believe that Sargeras, who can impale a planet on his sword, is unnable to set foot on the planet without a portal.
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Adamsm
Since they could just open up portals above the planet, or on the moons....
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Gone
Wouldnt somebody have to be there on the other end to open it though? Im assuming of course that they work differently than mage portals since its over a much greater difference. Or it could just be plot included stupidity, like player characters killing being slike Ragnaros that they have no buisness fighting.
I mean has there ever actually been anything that said Azeroth has some kind of magical protection from the legion?
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Post by
Rankkor
No, first off, no they don't, for the last time. Alliance has never done the amount of bad things that the horde has done, and I'm absolutely sick of hearing this, you can say it as many times as you like, but without concrete proof of it, I don't buy it. I can name the amount of negative things the alliance has done on one hand, ya, there are bad people in the alliance, so what? As long as they and there actions are not approved by the alliance, it doesn't count.
allright, /cracking knuckles.
1: Do the names of Barthilas and Garithos ring a bell? cuz if they don't I'll happily enlighten you.
A: Garithos, personally sentenced to death imprisonment and mass execution AN ENTIRE RACE, based solely on the fact that they had pointy ears. Neither him, nor his actions were condemned by the alliance, nor any form of compensation was offered to the blood elves. After they refused to lay down and be executed the alliance simply gave them the tip of their boot, and promtly abandoned them to their own luck. While you could argue that Garithos was an extremist who didn't represented the rest of the alliance, once they had word of his actions, if they really were against it, they would had done something about it.
They didn't. Let that sink in.
B: Barthilas. He was willing to execute an innocent man, due to exclusive xenophobic actions. True, orcs killed his parents, but does that entitles him to kill any orc out there who hasn't done anything? HELL NO. My uncle and godfather ran an import&export business within the colombian border, and his convoy was hit by a F.A.R.C squad of guerrilla extremists when I was a kid. he was killed. I loved him, he was a second dad to me. Does that entitles me to seek revenge against EVERY SINGLE COLOMBIAN IN THE WORLD? Of course not, dont' be absurd.
And while you could (you really love to isolate everything bad within the alliance down to a single "rotten apple") argue that was just barthilas, do remember that he was backed down by their Royal Crown Prince (Arthas), their Lead Paladin Lord (Uther) AND THEIR F*bleep*KING POPE (Alonsus Faol).
They too were perfectly willing to judge a man for a crime he did not commit, and execute him solely on the fact that his skin was green, and nothing more.
2: They attacked Honor Point, invaded durotar, and sent assassins after Thrall WHILE A F*bleep*KING PEACE TREATY WAS IN PLACE. And no, this was not the act of "a rotten apple" the SI:7 respond solely to Stormwind's Royal House, and they were still sent to attack Thrall and his escort who were travelling UNARMED, and they also shot anyone who was there, because there could be "no witnesses". For all we know, an argent crusade ship could had been there instead of the goblin one and they would had STILL shot it, because their orders was to leave NOBODY alive.
3: Taurajo. And before you dare say anything about how hawthorne let a gap opened to let the civilians leave, that was HIS doing, because the rest of the entire ALLIANCE HIGH COMMAND ordered him to PURGE the town, killing every last man woman and child. Unlike similar horde attacks, this was a CIVILIAN TOWN, that they hit in the middle of the night, with tanks, attack airplanes, thugs, and while the town was defenseless and unable to offer any kind of resistance. And their order was to PURGE IT, down to the last baby. Something not even GARROSH approves, or does during his entire campaign.
I could go on all day, but I'll stop here, because arguing with you, is like doing so with a wall, you will just go LA-LA-LA-LA-LA those don't count. Alliance is white and shiny, we = good.
The house of nobles, as you seem to be ignoring, was corrupted by onyxia posing as a human noble, lady katrina prestor, so how is that something that makes the alliance any less good?
Because they were corrupt before katrana entered the scene, and were still corrupt long after she's gone. Please don't invent lore will ya? Katrana was only manipulating Varian, the rest of the House of Nobles was corrupt without her.
The mason's guild not getting their promised pay? that was them alone, Katrana had nothing to do with it. Westfall being in the miserable state it is today? that's them, not her.
Wanna chalk off anything wrong within the alliance to a dead villain? be my guest but at least try harder will ya?......
You can't blame the alliance for having a few bad apples
but apparently you CAN blame the horde for having bad apples, because that's all you love doing. Forsaken pulling off crap? their actions are not sanctioned by the horde. The only reason they are barely tolerated is because they are needed due to the war with the alliance. If there was no war, they would had been kicked out of the horde ages ago.
Krom'gar and his massacre on stonetalon? bad apple, not approved nor sanctioned by the horde. The Dark Shaman beneat RFC? NOT APPROVED BY THE HORDE (in fact we're sent there to dispose of them)
ohh but those don't count rigth?
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Post by
Adamsm
Sold, I'm sorry, but your bias is making you look like an idiot; just accept both factions have their ugly sides, and stop calling the Horde more evil for !@#$'s sakes.
So I think he wants to make both factions good guys by the end of MOP, no more terribly written grey, not like they even know how to write it anyway. Sorry Sold, but I like my Grey in Warcraft; always have, always will; I doubt the War will end on a high note, since the Faction wars are one of the major draws of the Warcraft universe.
Wouldnt somebody have to be there on the other end to open it though? Im assuming of course that they work differently than mage portals since its over a much greater difference. Or it could just be plot included stupidity, like player characters killing being slike Ragnaros that they have no buisness fighting.
I mean has there ever actually been anything that said Azeroth has some kind of magical protection from the legion?
There hasn't; but it's been stated time and again that the Legion need someone to give them a foot hold: You mentioned the Draenei running for 25 thousand years...during that time, they stopped on planets and tried to make new lives...but the Legion showed up again, and those planets were either corrupted or destroyed, forcing the Draenei to move on again.
Post by
Gone
Im not even gonna read through this the millionth Horde vs Alliance debate. But I will say this, while both the Horde and Alliance have their bad eggs, atm the Horde tend to have more of them in higher positions of power. There are plenty of guys like Blackmoore in the Alliance, but none of them currently have the same power as Sylvanas and Garrosh, at least not at the moment, and thus dont make as large an impact. So I can see why people think the Horde are worse right now.
Its just easier to demonize the Horde when you see their faction leaders commiting what can only be described as war crimes, as aposed to some random scheming Stormwind noble or some captain of teh guard who made a so called "mistake".
Post by
Adamsm
Which is why this is amusing: Garrosh cracked down and killed those of his commanders who went against the Honour of the Orcs; he's not evil till whatever happens in MoP. Of the Horde leaders, only Sylvanas could be called that, but there have been a large number of Alliance allied higher ups who have done just as bad as she has.
Edit: But it's the people who try to cast that darkness of them on the rest of the Horde that are in the wrong.
Post by
Gone
Garrosh might not be as evil, and borderline insane as Sylvanas, but I dont think hes the leader the Horde needs. I mean I remember people used to call Varian a warmonger, now Garrosh is like 10x worse than he ever was. Idk I think the quests where Garrosh goes around tossing his commanders off cliffs is just Blizzards way of trying to make the character likeable when he was universally hated by like 90% of the wow population. MOP tells me that at this point they have pretty much given up on that all together.
Not to go on an anti garrosh tangent, theres already been like a million and a half of those. Im still wondering whats gonna happen to make him an end game boss, I mean even if he was the worst despot in Azeroths history, he still dosnt have the power to stand along side some of the other raid bosses weve faced. I wonder what kind of forces he might call upon to
A) Increase his own power.
B) Alienate the Horde who will be aposing him.
Post by
Adamsm
he still dosnt have the power to stand along side some of the other raid bosses weve faced.We've faced a lot of mortals before: The only difference between KT and Garrosh at this point is the magic KT has; but, love him or hate him, Garrosh is a near perfect Orc physical specimen with a weapon that has been passed down through the Hellscream line. He's fought Varian to a stand still.
In all honesty...most of the raid bosses don't match up: C'thun and Yogg, even in their weakened states, are immensely more powerful then the Lich King, Malygos, Deathwing, any of the Blacks/Twilights we've faced. We've also gone up against mortals who weren't really enhanced(Hagra and the Warmaster most recently). Remember, game play isn't the same as Lore; otherwise, we would have killed LK first then dealt with Yogg.
Look at BC: By the end, Kael was heads and shoulders ahead of all of the rest of the 'raid' bosses; he had more power then Illidan after he was revived by the Legion after all.
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