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Rankkor
Kael ordered that Anasterian was the last king of Quel'thaas, which is why Lor'themar never became a king and presumably why Kael was never crowned until he started leading a splinter group of elves in Outland.
read it, but didn't found this part to make much sense.
why would the blood elves still honor a decree by their former prince when he turned traitor?
if we get down to it, Arthas was also the last crowned prince of Lordaeron, and after he murdered his father, he was also their rightful king. You just don't see people honoring whatever decrees he may or may not have made in the interim years where he did in fact ruled lordaeron.
Kael is dead, his words were lies, and his allegiance was not to his people. The blood elves should elect a new king, and move forward. This fixation with the past is really annoying me. (as are the kael'thas statues everywhere on silvermoon)
Also =( my free premium ran out. The panda icon is my last customized icon. Lets hope it at least stays there.
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Morec0
Kael ordered that Anasterian was the last king of Quel'thaas, which is why Lor'themar never became a king and presumably why Kael was never crowned until he started leading a splinter group of elves in Outland.
read it, but didn't found this part to make much sense.
why would the blood elves still honor a decree by their former prince when he turned traitor?
if we get down to it, Arthas was also the last crowned prince of Lordaeron, and after he murdered his father, he was also their rightful king. You just don't see people honoring whatever decrees he may or may not have made in the interim years where he did in fact ruled lordaeron.
Kael is dead, his words were lies, and his allegiance was not to his people. The blood elves should elect a new king, and move forward. This fixation with the past is really annoying me. (as are the kael'thas statues everywhere on silvermoon)
Also =( my free premium ran out. The panda icon is my last customized icon. Lets hope it at least stays there.
Perhaps because the blood elf people felt that his decree deserved to be held up because they felt similarly? Even if Kael turned traitor the citizens of Quel'thalas still probably felt so much respect for their former king and sorrow because of his death that they decided to continue on with Kael's decree even though the prince himself was evil. That said, the decree may loose favor over time, but given the lifespan of high/blood elves it likely wont be anytime soon.
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Falrinn
read it, but didn't found this part to make much sense.
why would the blood elves still honor a decree by their former prince when he turned traitor?
if we get down to it, Arthas was also the last crowned prince of Lordaeron, and after he murdered his father, he was also their rightful king. You just don't see people honoring whatever decrees he may or may not have made in the interim years where he did in fact ruled lordaeron.
Kael is dead, his words were lies, and his allegiance was not to his people. The blood elves should elect a new king, and move forward. This fixation with the past is really annoying me. (as are the kael'thas statues everywhere on silvermoon)
Also =( my free premium ran out. The panda icon is my last customized icon. Lets hope it at least stays there.
Well he probably made the decree at the same time as much of the race declared themselves to be "Blood Elves". Lor'themar knows very well that Kael didn't fall from grace until after he went to Outland, long after the decree was made. The common people of Quel'thelas probably view not having a proper king as being synonymous with being a Blood Elf at this point.
Basically by the logic you're using, the Blood Elves shouldn't even be called Blood Elves anymore since Kael was a big supporter of that idea, if not the originator.
I suppose Blizzard might eventually reveal a lost heir to the throne who would be able to reverse the decree, but I think for right now there's nothing wrong with Silvermoon being ruled by a permanent regency.
Post by
Adamsm
Well, his story was better then most of the others.
Post by
Mojoworkn
"Who's Lorthemar?"
:P
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Interest
"Who's Lorthemar?"
:P
My exact thoughts when I saw his story. =P
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Mojoworkn
I came by something that I dod not really understand as I was reading about the goblins today. It is said that the goblins were slaves to the trolls on
the Isle of Kezan
before they became intelligent (since they became intelligent while mining for the trolls this is ofc natural). It is also stated that Neltharion had help of goblins when he created the Dragon Soul.
Given these two statements there is a bit of contradiction when you consider the location of the Isle of Kezan. On in-game maps the isle is located just south of the Maelstrom, which leads me to think that it can't have been an isle before the Sundering. This makes me claim there is a bit of contradiction regarding Neltharion having goblins help him create the Dragon Soul since the goblins couldn't have evolved into their more intelligent selves yet. Unless he used the 'dumb' goblins for this, which I think is unlikely.
Well the Kezan goblins aren't the only tribe of goblins in game. I would assume that he had help from the Steamwheedle Cartel rather than the playable goblins.
My exact thoughts when I saw his story. =P
I had to jump on the bandwagon.
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Adamsm
I came by something that I dod not really understand as I was reading about the goblins today. It is said that the goblins were slaves to the trolls on
the Isle of Kezan
before they became intelligent (since they became intelligent while mining for the trolls this is ofc natural). It is also stated that Neltharion had help of goblins when he created the Dragon Soul.
Given these two statements there is a bit of contradiction when you consider the location of the Isle of Kezan. On in-game maps the isle is located just south of the Maelstrom, which leads me to think that it can't have been an isle before the Sundering. This makes me claim there is a bit of contradiction regarding Neltharion having goblins help him create the Dragon Soul since the goblins couldn't have evolved into their more intelligent selves yet. Unless he used the 'dumb' goblins for this, which I think is unlikely.
Kajamite was responsible for the evolution of the Goblin brain, and could have been done at any time in caverns to the east; the Troll empire also at one time was immense, covering most of old Kalimdor till they ran into issues with themselves, the Aqir and the Night Elves. Also, it's an old story, so it's entirely possible the real location was mixed up in the myths; there could have been goblins on an island ruled over by Jungle Trolls, but that may have not been where the race started up.
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Rankkor
I came by something that I dod not really understand as I was reading about the goblins today. It is said that the goblins were slaves to the trolls on
the Isle of Kezan
before they became intelligent (since they became intelligent while mining for the trolls this is ofc natural). It is also stated that Neltharion had help of goblins when he created the Dragon Soul.
Given these two statements there is a bit of contradiction when you consider the location of the Isle of Kezan.
On in-game maps the isle is located just south of the Maelstrom, which leads me to think that it can't have been an isle before the Sundering
. This makes me claim there is a bit of contradiction regarding Neltharion having goblins help him create the Dragon Soul since the goblins couldn't have evolved into their more intelligent selves yet. Unless he used the 'dumb' goblins for this, which I think is unlikely.
not necessarily.
Before the sundering, Kalimdor was a single continent, but that doesn't mean there was not a single island in the world.
For all we know, Kalimdor was the "Pangea" of azeroth, and there were still plenty of smaller islands scattered around the globe. After the sundering, most of the landmass at the epicenter of the explosion naturally sank to the ocean, and as we also know, a giant maelstrom tends to pull stuff towards it.
Thus is not inconcievable that the island of Kezan was slowly pulled towards the center of azeroth after the sundering removed all the landmasses in the middle. We've seen it happen in our world. It may take millions of years, but islands DO move. Slowly, but they move.
This of course leads us to believe that even if the cataclysm hadn't happened, kezan would had still been pulled inside after several millions of years (Bear in mind that barely 20k years have passed since the last sundering, that's quite low for landmasses to move entirely)
As an alternative explanation I also do not fully believe kezan to be THAT close to the maelstrom. Its only shown that way on the ingame map because Kezan, lost island, and maelstrom are all in the same centralized area, but Lost Island is actually quite close to Azshara, and Kezan would naturally not necessarily have to be THAT close to the maelstrom.
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Adamsm
Though it is clearly stated that the goblins intelligence is thanks to the Kaja'mite, which in turn comes from Mount Kajaro. It is aslo said that the goblins couldn't find Kaja'mite anywhere else making Kezan the only possible place for goblins to originate from.Unless you consider why the Goblins were working for Deathwing; as the Earth Warder, he could have 'searched' the earth for them to find more deposits of the mineral. It's entirely possible that before the Sundering happened, the Goblins had a land based land, that was broken into the sea after the Well exploded, and that piece of land had both Goblins and Trolls on it; from there is where Undermine and Kezan were formed. If the land mass was the original mines, then some of the Kaja'mite would have gone with them, till it was lost and only recently found again.
Leaving out that very old idea that Kaja'mite is like Saronite of course heh.
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588688
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Morec0
So apparently metzen is busy writing a transformers comic:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=preview&id=11334
Odd.
I swear to God, if he voices half of the characters in that
too
....
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588688
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Adamsm
Not without spending an absolute #$%^ ton of cash to Hasbro for the rights.
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