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Post by
SapientPearwood
This amused me greatly. I like to see these kinds of tidbits.
Actually, I saw Benedictus at Wyrmrest. He was the Twilight Prophet.
Ha hah hah! Benedictus, the Twilight Prophet!
Bwa ha ha ha!
Oh, that's a good one. Hoo-ee.
I'm serious. Benedictus tried to kill Thrall and deliver Azeroth to Deathwing. I saw it with my own eyes.
Rumors, child. Rumors have a way of attaching themselves to people of power. In fact, I recently heard a particularly nasty one about the late Lord Bolvar.
I will ask you to spread your lies elsewhere. Return when you are ready to confess your wrongs before the Light.
The rumors are true you fool! It's all true! You'd think I'd lie? D:
Post by
Adamsm
Lol, so the Jaina book, just like so many other, was just pushed back a month; July 24th now for the release date rather then June 12th.
Post by
Anaran
So, Thrall actually IS the new Earth Warder -_- "Blessed by Thrall the Earth-Warder with the immovable strength of the ancient stones of Azeroth. Defensive cooldowns reduced by 50%. Defensive ability durations increased by 100%."
Last Defender of Azeroth... You and the 25 other heroes bub...
Post by
Adamsm
So, Thrall actually IS the new Earth Warder -_- "Blessed by Thrall the Earth-Warder with the immovable strength of the ancient stones of Azeroth. Defensive cooldowns reduced by 50%. Defensive ability durations increased by 100%."
Last Defender of Azeroth... You and the 25 other heroes bub...
Only for the fight, then he's back to mortal.
Post by
Rankkor
So, Thrall actually IS the new Earth Warder -_- "Blessed by Thrall the Earth-Warder with the immovable strength of the ancient stones of Azeroth. Defensive cooldowns reduced by 50%. Defensive ability durations increased by 100%."
Last Defender of Azeroth... You and the 25 other heroes bub...
come on dude, by now is pretty much common knowledge that NOBODY is an aspect by the end of cata.
Also this post from the official forum.......
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3657613297?page=1
IS SO FULL OF WIN
I'd post something there to agree 100% with this player but alas =( I Will not renew my subscription till my PC is fixed (no point in wasting precious game-days if I have no pc to play)
Post by
Anaran
I know that no one was an aspect at the end, but the fact they made a random Shaman act as Earth Warder annoyed me, but just Imagine how Kalecgos feels... Lol he was an aspect for how long?
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Post by
Morec0
So, Thrall actually IS the new Earth Warder -_- "Blessed by Thrall the Earth-Warder with the immovable strength of the ancient stones of Azeroth. Defensive cooldowns reduced by 50%. Defensive ability durations increased by 100%."
Last Defender of Azeroth... You and the 25 other heroes bub...
come on dude, by now is pretty much common knowledge that NOBODY is an aspect by the end of cata.
Also this post from the official forum.......
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/3657613297?page=1
IS SO FULL OF WIN
I'd post something there to agree 100% with this player but alas =( I Will not renew my subscription till my PC is fixed (no point in wasting precious game-days if I have no pc to play)
Am I gonna have to re-sub now? I was so saving money for food.
Bah, just eat your own toes. That's what I'm doing.
*takes another bite*
Want some? I have ten.
Post by
Interest
So would anyone like to point out how many holes in their argument there are?
Post by
keyur
Mary Sue = what does that mean exactly? can anyone please explain with example in simple words.
I tried to figure out from different guides but couldnt get its proper meaning.
Post by
SapientPearwood
A Mary Sue is mostly a fanfic term. It's a nearly one dimensional, perfect character. She has nearly no negative characteristics, is in cahoots with many, many important canon people, has meta-knowledge (knowledge of things one's writer knows, but the character has no possible way of knowing) and is frankly, very annoying to Rp with.
Thrall is borderlining this, if most critics are to be believed. He will then be a 'canon Sue'.
Post by
Interest
A Mary Sue is mostly a fanfic term. It's a nearly one dimensional, perfect character. She has nearly no negative characteristics, is in cahoots with many, many important canon people, has meta-knowledge (knowledge of things one's writer knows, but the character has no possible way of knowing) and is frankly, very annoying to Rp with.
Thrall is borderlining this, if most critics are to be believed. He will then be a 'canon Sue'.
Given that, it's unlikely we'll see him too much in MoP...(it's a thought anyways).
Post by
SapientPearwood
Given that, it's unlikely we'll see him too much in MoP...(it's a thought anyways).
Being Sue-ish has nothing to do with his absence in MoP. He'll have his hands full changing little orc diapers, which is much more taxing then destroying ancient evils. :P
Post by
Adamsm
Hey, I'll be happy if Super Human Shaman Thrall is slightly absent from MoP; I'm really tired of him at this point, as he's been shoved down our throats in the books and the expansion......but sadly, because of the baby thing, it means more and more Aggra will not be going anywhere.
Post by
Rankkor
Hey, I'll be happy if Super Human Shaman Thrall is slightly absent from MoP; I'm really tired of him at this point, as he's been shoved down our throats in the expansion
it upsets me that people feel that way about Thrall, but not a peep was said about Tirion on WOTLK who was shoved harder
Post by
Morec0
Hey, I'll be happy if Super Human Shaman Thrall is slightly absent from MoP; I'm really tired of him at this point, as he's been shoved down our throats in the expansion
it upsets me that people feel that way about Thrall, but not a peep was said about Tirion on WOTLK who was shoved harder
Probably because it made sense: he had the weapon that was designed to defeat the Lich King, he had to be practically on the front lines. It did urk me a little bit that Darion did not recive as much spotlight as he should have afterwards, but it was still understandable given the circumstances.
And Tirion only showed up in one book, as Adams pointed out. Thrall has been pegged as the "mesiah" since the start of Cataclysm. The one to heal the apocolypse (which, when you really think about it, makes Tirion defeating the greatest threat to Azeroth during his expansion seem like someone spilled their drink). And besides, Thrall seems to be doing all of this
alone
anytime a problem arises it has never been "The Earthern Ring" its usually "Thrall with the assitance of the Earthern Ring" while the official leader of the Ring and the first Draenei shaman have no influence on the story AT ALL when, given their appearence at the Maelstrom together, made it seem like they were supposed to be shipped as a trio working together.
Then again, I havn't read the latest books or played the game since Zandali came out (hell, didn't even play that) so my opinoin may be slightly unresearched.
Post by
Adamsm
Hey, I'll be happy if Super Human Shaman Thrall is slightly absent from MoP; I'm really tired of him at this point, as he's been shoved down our throats in the expansion
it upsets me that people feel that way about Thrall, but not a peep was said about Tirion on WOTLK who was shoved harder
Not really; Tirion is seen fighting alongside us in the Fjord(if you are Alliance) and then in Icecrown as you bring the fight to the Lich King and the Citadel to finally finish him off.
And yeah, as Morec said, from the Shattering, to Twilight of the Aspects and now the Dragon Soul, Thrall is the
only one who can save Azeroth
; never mind any of the other Heroes, they just aren't that important apparently....and I really would have rather seen more of Malfurion then Thrall in the Hyjal events. And that's leaving out all of the crap with Thrall and Aggra shoved in our faces all along which just doesn't add anything huge to the story lines.
And Rank, with all the stuff that has been written about Thrall recently, it's pushing to the Mary Sue borders: I mean really, Thrall's spirit form against Deathwing in the center of Azeroth....and Thrall wins? Not just wins, but walks away without a single scratch or injury, where when Mal was being chased by Deathwing through the Dream, he still nearly killed the Night Elf. I read Charge of the Aspects, and when I was finished, I didn't go 'Oh so that's why it has to happen like this', I went 'Meh, more crap about Thrall'; they've come incredibly close to ruining the character with this expansion.
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Post by
Morec0
Hey, I'll be happy if Super Human Shaman Thrall is slightly absent from MoP; I'm really tired of him at this point, as he's been shoved down our throats in the books and the expansion......but sadly, because of the baby thing, it means more and more Aggra will not be going anywhere.
That's only due to your dislike of the Horde. You were absolutely fine with Wrath, you can try to twist it how ever you'd like.
Sorry dude, but I'm with Adams. I havn't played any of the wrath addons, or read any of the newest books, and even I am sick of him. He's being overused just a little too much I think, and I'm a full-on
Horde player
.
And Adams anti-Horde? Either I've forgotten something or you're confused.
Post by
Rankkor
Probably because it made sense: he had the weapon that was designed to defeat the Lich King, he had to be practically on the front lines. It did urk me a little bit that Darion did not recive as much spotlight as he should have afterwards, but it was still understandable given the circumstances.
and yet on WOTLK , 10000 scourge vs 300 crusaders, crusaders are getting their asses kicked, cue tirion and KABLOOM all scourge dead.
Ashbringer, corrupted beyond purification, Tirion just puts his hands on it, and KABLOOM, its purified by his holyness alone.
Lich king, freezes tirion, 1shots the raid, Tirion just says a prayer and KABLOOM manages to 1shot frostmourne, and incapacitate the lich king.
Argent Stand, scourge sends frikking FROST DRAGONS at Tirion and KABLOOM, he 1shots them left and right.
And yeah, as Morec said, from the Shattering, to Twilight of the Aspects and now the Dragon Soul, Thrall is the only one who can save Azeroth;
much like how Tirion on WOTLK was the only one who can save azeroth. Nobody else could wield ashbringer, nobody else could shatter the iceblock, nobody else could destroy frostmourne, nobody else got recognition on the ICC assault, nor a shiny gold statue......
never mind any of the other Heroes, they just aren't that important apparently....
did we saw any recognition of the heroes that participated in the northrend campaign? no, we did not, it was all tirion by his lonesome, but hey, that's cool cuz he's a human right?
and I really would have rather seen more of Malfurion then Thrall in the Hyjal events.
and here's the funny part: YOU DID, Dude thrall showed up for 1 single quest-chain. 1 SINGLE QUEST-CHAIN, not the whole area.
Malfurion shows up for 3 quest-chains, and stands as a quest-giver for 4 individual quests. so who did you saw more? him or thrall? who was in the ragnaros raid? him or thrall?
jeez.
I mean really, Thrall's spirit form against Deathwing in the center of Azeroth....and Thrall wins? Not just wins, but walks away without a single scratch or injury
much like how Tirion won against the lich king with a single strike.......
and how he kicked his ass on the battle for light's hope chapel, but no, aparently those don't count to make someone a mary sue......
Not really; Tirion is seen fighting alongside us in the Fjord(if you are Alliance) and then in Icecrown as you bring the fight to the Lich King and the Citadel to finally finish him off.
he shows up in the fjord, in the DK starting zone, and in Icecrown, and unlike Thrall who shows up in only 1 zone (goblin starting area, because in maelstrom you just take 1 quest from him and that's it, and the second visit to the maelstrom isn't canon) Tirion showed up up to 7 times in Icecrown. ON the argent stand, on the argent pinnacle, on the argent tourney, on the cathedral of the scourge, on the quest for brinndenbrad (where he aparently can cash in favors with all the demi-gods of azeroth) and a large ect.
We're not talking about a minor role here, 70% of Icecrown was pure Tirion Homage, but hey, let thrall show up for 1 single quest-chain in hyjal and suddenly he's shoved down our throats.
As for having books dedicated to him, bro' others have too, Rhonin, Malfurion, varian, all of them have had their time on the spotlight too, and when it was their turn, it was all up to them, NOBODY else could win the day but them.
Varian comic? nobody else can win the battle for warsong gulch but him, nobody else could kill onyxia but him, nobody else could win the battle of ashenvale but him.
WOTA and Stormrage? Nobody else could stop the legion but malfurion, nobody else could stop xavius but him ect ect.
where when Mal was being chased by Deathwing through the Dream, he still nearly killed the Night Elf.
big difference, back then malfurion was a newbie, and was barely able to move, much less fight on the dream, heck he had learned how to even enter it DAYS AGO.
No matter how many times all of you repeat it, Saying that Thrall was overused but Tirion wasn't is just bias.
Showing up in 1 zone (with a semi-minor role to boot), and 1 quest-chain added with 1 dungeon and 1 raid hardly compares to having 2 zones completely devoted to you, and show up in 1 dungeon, 2 raids, and be lauded as the ONLY hero to win the war.
Notice how Tirion was completely alone on the WOTLK ending cinematic even though there was a line as large as my neighborhood of people who had WAY MORE reasons to be there than him (Chief among them Muradin and Sylvannas), yet Thrall was neither alone nor was the focus of the ending cinematic of Cata.
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