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Adamsm
The two other previews have been posted, and with that we know that Benedictus' betrayal stuck. It was just late.
Also, you get to face Azshara at the well of eternity.
We found out he was Father Twilight in the epilogue of Twilight of the Aspects. And it's still just the old Azshara, Queen Massive Knockers the Naga is still unfightable this expansion heh.
I'm not sure if this is right, but I think the idea is that the power of the dragon soul makes deathwing stronger but also bigger and more explody. So when we fight on him we undue his plates so he more or less falls apart.
That's why he wanted the original adamantite plates, to hold himself together. He upgrade to eternium in Cata because of all the damage he had been taking over the years.
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We found out he was Father Twilight in the epilogue of Twilight of the Aspects. And it's still just the old Azshara, Queen Massive Knockers the Naga is still unfightable this expansion heh.
Well, I do remember that you complained that Azshara did too little in the WotAncients books Adam, this is an interesting possility for the Light of Lights to be all flashy and magical stuff, no? Especially if they actually stick her with a custom model (hopefully.
Eh, yes and no.....was actually reading the TVTropes on the Expanded Universe stuff, and for Azshara, they had a Word of God that she was the most powerful Mortal Magic user at the time so....actually fighting her this time around, hoping the reason she leaves the fight is because of something we don't see and leaves a chest/coffer behind as opposed to actually 'defeating' her, when an entire army couldn't do that originally.
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Not only we couldn't defeat Archimonde and Kil'jaeden but they are both superior to Azshara. That, however, didn't keep us from seeing their power in full glory.Hate to bring up this point once again...but remember, Mannoroth said she was easily as powerful as both him and Archi heh.
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Patty
Given that the 7th Legion is presently most involved with the Battle for Gilneas, I'd say certainly. Your worgen is a volunteer of the Gilneas Liberation Front that was offered to join the Legion, or something.
Though that would make you a pretty new recruit that wasn't there during the second War of the Shifting Sands or the War of Northrend.
Unless they were a veteran that was attacked by some feral worgen in or near Gilneas, infected, sent off to get his shiz to make him sane done, and then rejoined the 7th Legion.
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We found out he was Father Twilight in the epilogue of Twilight of the Aspects. And it's still just the old Azshara, Queen Massive Knockers the Naga is still unfightable this expansion heh.
Well, I do remember that you complained that Azshara did too little in the WotAncients books Adam, this is an interesting possility for the Light of Lights to be all flashy and magical stuff, no? Especially if they actually stick her with a custom model (hopefully.
Eh, yes and no.....was actually reading the TVTropes on the Expanded Universe stuff, and for Azshara, they had a Word of God that she was the most powerful Mortal Magic user at the time so....actually fighting her this time around, hoping the reason she leaves the fight is because of something we don't see and leaves a chest/coffer behind as opposed to actually 'defeating' her, when an entire army couldn't do that originally.
actually, mannoroth tried to kill her, and found out much to his dismay that only archimonde or kil'jaeden would rival her in pure power.
And I dont see exactly how "an entire army cound't do that originally"
She never fought an entire army because she was never given a chance. The host never reached zin-azshari. She never fought because it would had been against her character. She was a spoiled brat in every sense of the word, she had never SWEATED in her entire life for crying out loud. So, unless someone was attacking the palace and managed to go past her guards, she was not gonna go to the front lines to start killing people. Besides, the sight of blood and dismembered bodies would had "offended her sensibilities"
Here is my grain of speculation regarding her fight:
When the city sinks after the well starts to collapse, she uses an arcane shield to hold the entire palace together as it sinks into water. That has to be a pretty impressive shield. I'm guessing we fight her, we win, she uses a shield to protect herself, and since she's no longer "in the way" we simply loot her private stash, and continue to our REAL mission: Steal the soul before the well collapses.
As to how could this affect the timelines, I dont see how it would. After we use the soul to finish off deathwing, I can see thrall giving the soul to nozdormu, who exists simultaneously in every moment of history. Thus, future noz, and past noz are the same guy. By giving the soul to future noz, past noz 10k years ago would have it as well. Past noz 10k years ago would then present the soul to the other aspects for them to do the ritual that will prevent any dragon from touching it, and then entrust malfurion to hide it. The only diference from the original version is that malfurion wont have the disk with him from the destruction of the well, to the moment of the ritual. He will momentarily lose it, then the dragons banish it, and then he hides it.
That's how I predict it will happen
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As to how could this affect the timelines, I dont see how it would. After we use the soul to finish off deathwing, I can see thrall giving the soul to nozdormu, who exists simultaneously in every moment of history. Thus, future noz, and past noz are the same guy. By giving the soul to future noz, past noz 10k years ago would have it as well. Past noz 10k years ago would then present the soul to the other aspects for them to do the ritual that will prevent any dragon from touching it, and then entrust malfurion to hide it. The only diference from the original version is that malfurion wont have the disk with him from the destruction of the well, to the moment of the ritual. He will momentarily lose it, then the dragons banish it, and then he hides it.
That's how I predict it will happen
I don't think that's how Nozdormu works Rank; he can swim the rivers of Time easily, and he knows information from the past and the future, but only if it's brought to his attention: If it was really as simple as just one Nozdormu holding it, then the whole travel to the future to take out the Infinite Flight leader wouldn't be needed, as the Past Noz could hold the Soul and the Present one would get it. But Time Travel is weird so we'll have to see.
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Rankkor
If it was really as simple as just one Nozdormu holding it, then the whole travel to the future to take out the Infinite Flight leader wouldn't be needed
unless the corrupt noz was preventing the regular one from using his powers (and he does, that's why we travel to the future, not to be "inspired" to fight harder against D-wing)
And as for if the interference was removed, why didn't past noz took the disk, traveled to the future ,gave it to us, allowed us to use it, and then take it back to the past: He's not allowed to interfere, its forbidden. But its a well known loophole that he CAN allow us to interfere for him, we do the deed, and then he fixes the timeline by taking the disk back, rather than letting it stay in the present.
I don't think that's how Nozdormu works Rank; he can swim the rivers of Time easily, and he knows information from the past and the future, but only if it's brought to his attention
from what I've read in the War of the Ancients (and I've recently re-read it out of pure boredom in my job xD) he DOES exists simultaneously in every moment of history in the world. This is why he was stuck in a loophole, untill thrall gave him the epiphany of just living in the moment, rather than trying to exist in every past present and future moment.
But Time Travel is weird
;S u're telling ME, first time I played Chrono Trigger, I had a nasty headache for weeks trying to understand the plot.
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Adamsm
Eh, my original gripe still stands: The Demon Soul shouldn't be able to be used against Deathwing, since he created the thing to make it so he could lord over the other Flights. And the spell was cast to make it so that Deathwing and his Flight couldn't touch the Soul, not all Dragons....I think....
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Rankkor
The Demon Soul shouldn't be able to be used against Deathwing, since he created the thing to make it so he could lord over the other Flights.
wrong, he didn't created it, he had goblins create it, and they had to use SOMETHING as the base for it. I'm willing to bet it was an ancient artifact given to him by the old gods.
He ignores a lot of stuff out of that disk (He didn't knew it would rip him apart like tissue paper, he didn't knew his scales could destroy it, he didn't knew a lot man, :S), and again, Considering the old gods planned to kill him from the start, its not so shocking to think that they hid deep inside the disk, suficient power to kill him as well as any other dragon.
He BELIEVED he was in charge, and he was going to use the soul to rule all dragons, but he was just a puppet all along, and his beloved disk was just the trumped card of the old gods, not him.
And the spell was cast to make it so that Deathwing and his Flight couldn't touch the Soul, not all Dragons....I think....
nope, as I said before, I've recently re-read all of the War of the Ancients trilogy, and at the end, malfurion doesn't wanna touch the disk anymore (because of its corruption), so when the aspects ask him to hide the disk, he asks krasus why doesn't a dragon hides it. Krasus explains that they imbued the disk with magic that will prevent every dragon in existence from using said disk.
This is why we have to steal it BEFORE the well explodes, because after the well is destroyed, the disk is imbued with the ritual that will prevent every dragon to hold it, and then how would noz bring it back to the past?
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Adamsm
The Demon Soul shouldn't be able to be used against Deathwing, since he created the thing to make it so he could lord over the other Flights.
wrong, he didn't created it, he had goblins create it, and they had to use SOMETHING as the base for it. I'm willing to bet it was an ancient artifact given to him by the old gods.
He ignores a lot of stuff out of that disk (He didn't knew it would rip him apart like tissue paper, he didn't knew his scales could destroy it, he didn't knew a lot man, :S), and again, Considering the old gods planned to kill him from the start, its not so shocking to think that they hid deep inside the disk, suficient power to kill him as well as any other dragon.
He BELIEVED he was in charge, and he was going to use the soul to rule all dragons, but he was just a puppet all along, and his beloved disk was just the trumped card of the old gods, not him.He did use something; a Piece of himself which is why another scale could destroy it in DoD. And if they had been planning to kill him from the start, and the weapon was in the disk...why didn't they just power it up when he was trying to take the disc back from the portal spell? But he still empowered the Soul with the essence of the Four Aspects, the power of the Legion, and some magic from the Well: But he still didn't put any of his own power in there, which is why the Soul failed utterly when Skullcrusher tried to use it against Deathwing in Day of the Dragon.
And the spell was cast to make it so that Deathwing and his Flight couldn't touch the Soul, not all Dragons....I think....
nope, as I said before, I've recently re-read all of the War of the Ancients trilogy, and at the end, malfurion doesn't wanna touch the disk anymore (because of its corruption), so when the aspects ask him to hide the disk, he asks krasus why doesn't a dragon hides it. Krasus explains that they imbued the disk with magic that will prevent every dragon in existence from using said disk.
This is why we have to steal it BEFORE the well explodes, because after the well is destroyed, the disk is imbued with the ritual that will prevent every dragon to hold it, and then how would noz bring it back to the past?
That's why I said I think, couldn't remember exactly there.
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Rankkor
He did use something; a Piece of himself which is why another scale could destroy it in DoD. And if they had been planning to kill him from the start, and the weapon was in the disk...
why didn't they just power it up when he was trying to take the disc back from the portal spell?
could be because they were imprisioned. The plan of the old gods was that at that moment the demon soul would open up the portal for sargeras, but also open up the portal to their prison, they would be free, they would be able to directly use their powers, rather than whisper things to others, or use subtle small spells, and it would be THEN taht they would had unleashed the powers of the disk designed to kill deathwing. once they could grab the thing directly.
But he still empowered the Soul with the essence of the Four Aspects, the power of the Legion, and some magic from the Well: But he still didn't put any of his own power in there, which is why the Soul failed utterly when Skullcrusher tried to use it against Deathwing in Day of the Dragon.
ahh but skullcrusher isn't an old god, he didn't fully knew how to unlock all the potential inside the disk. I'm saying that the old gods wanted to get rid of deathwing from the start, so the potential to slay him (even if he didn't added any of HIS essence to the disk) could had been hidden inside the disk. Come on bro' its a very real possibility, you know it ;) Its directly stated on WOTA that just as there is part of every aspect inside the disk, there is also a part of every old god in there too. And those old god parts are more than enough to slay D-wing if someone unleashes that onto him.
the real enigma is how did thrall came to the conclusion that the disk can be used against D-wing, and even better, how did he knew how to find the hidden deep magic within it to slay the dragon. Because if the old gods hid something else inside the disk to slay deathwing once their plans were completed, they would had to hide it VERY deep within it, to prevent D-wing from finding out on his prolonged make-out sessions with the disk.
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Rankkor
also (/unsurprisingly) the forums of MMO-champion are filled with some of the most stupid, idiotic, moronic, absurd, preposterous, and fallacious threads I've ever seen.
Its hard to find a recompilation so thorough of QQ mixed with complete ignorance and stupidity all in one place.
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Adamsm
I'm saying that the old gods wanted to get rid of deathwing from the start, so the potential to slay him (even if he didn't added any of HIS essence to the disk) could had been hidden inside the disk. Come on bro' its a very real possibility, you know it ;)Same issue though as the Portal spell; how would they put it in when they were locked away?
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