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Rankkor
Eh, I don't know; the villain of Shaman almost killed off the Earthen Ring members he was fighting against, and he was only imbued with Fire from Ragnaros and about to conqueror the other three Elements before Muln went in for that last attack.
The Ascendants are pretty bad ass as well, even for only being possessed by the power of just one specific Elemental Lord; we only go through them like chaff because most of them are mooks.
hey I'm not saying dark shamans are weak, depending on how powerful the rogue spirit empowering them is, they can kick some serious ass.
But do notice how the villian of shaman was using mostly fire spells, an the ascendants can only use the element they belong to. They have limitations to the scope of their skills.
I really think there is something more to those who are magi
meh, then we agree to disagree. I believe that anyone who wanna be a mage, just has to find someone to teach him or her, regardless of race. Or in the absence of a teacher, find sufficient scrolls of detailed spells and read them (Like the orcs did)
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Adamsm
Doesn't say he is undead in either of those texts though, also if he was undead now, he wouldn't be able to be a paladin any longer. He also doesn't have an undead draenei skin, which was available in wrath because of all player races having death knights and having an undead skin option as a deathknight.
Go do the quest again Sold; he's dead when it's over.
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Rankkor
Also, bear in mind that the very name of those vrykul mobs is "Spiritualists", so in all likelyhood, they aren't using power from the elements, but from the spirits of their ancestors ( the same way as their king uses the spirits of 4 ancestors to empower himself on Utgarde Pinnacle)
Or they could totally be using the powers of the elements, as several people refer to them as the spirits.
B: Spiritualists and shamans aren't the same thing.
Oh? There's nothing to tell them apart, from what I see. They could just be going by a different name.
A: that's some ambiguity in warcraft, since people never really refer to what KIND of spirit are they talking about.
I mean, we know that the orc shaman are one of the few who can't (yet) communicate with the spirits of their ancestors anymore, since the ancestors haven't (yet) forgiven them for their actions in the draenei wars, so when Thrall says (referring to the advice that medivh gave him) that "the spirits tell me I should trust him" he is referring to the elements. However when a tauren says "may the spirits watch over you" he may be referring to his ancestors.
I say the vrykuls aren't really shamans since they very well could be using the power of the spirits of their ancestors, much the same way as their king does.
and B: yes they really are different. In much the same way as Witch Doctors and shadow-hunters ARE a different class than shamans, and yet we see them in-game use the same spells as a shaman would.
There's also a possible third explanation.
When the orcs began the draenei war, the elemental spirits didn't abandoned them imidietly, they waited and saw if the orcs would eventually mend their ways, once it became clear that they weren't going to back down, they stopped supporting them.
Well, the vrykul were a war-devoted race, maybe jerkasses, but not quite evil BEFORE joining the scourge. They weren't that much different from orcs. They underwent a deep slumber over the past millenia, and only recently awoke and joined the scourge. Maybe the elements had not yet abandoned them, much the same way as they didn't abandoned the orcs imidietly.
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Monday
I say the vrykuls aren't really shamans since they very well could be using the power of the spirits of their ancestors, much the same way as their king does.
And yet you have nothing to back this up with besides conjecture, and fairly flimsy conjecture at that. If they used the spirits of their ancestors, wouldn't they be using buffs like Ymiron, instead of shaman spells?
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Atik
Also, Taurens are CONSTANTLY talking about channeling the spirits of their ancestors...
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Rankkor
I say the vrykuls aren't really shamans since they very well could be using the power of the spirits of their ancestors, much the same way as their king does.
And yet you have nothing to back this up with besides conjecture, and fairly flimsy conjecture at that. If they used the spirits of their ancestors, wouldn't they be using buffs like Ymiron, instead of shaman spells?
when there's a lack of lore to back things up, what else other than conjectures can be used?
besides, they are never refered to as shaman, they are spiritualists, and as I told you, Witch Doctors and Shadow Hunters are a diferent class than shaman even if In-game they use the same spells. The same goes for Geomancers, who also have shamanistic spells even when they aren't really shamans.
Several mobs in the game use certain generic spells without being bundled to a specific class, Fireball, shadowbolt, and lightning bolt are prime candidates used by MANY NPCs in the game. And in not every case they are mage/warlock/shaman respectively.
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Rankkor
not quite.
A pyromancer is someone who uses fire. Plain simple as that, just as they could use flameshock and lava burst, they could also use incinerate, inmolate, fireball, fireblast, dragon's breath, pyroblast, ect ect.
Because shamans are a swiss-army knife when it comes to elements, it is kinda harder to pinpoint what NPCs are shaman and what NPCs arent.
Also, Spiritwalkers use the same spells as the shamans even though they aren't quite the same. They are more about talking to the spirits of the dead, than the spiris of the elements. Shamans are kinda more universal, talking to all kinds of spirits.
Edit:; also, I'm gonna have to continue this tomorrow :S its kinda late, and this isn't my PC :P (In my cousin's house) gotta take off.
dammit T_T I miss my PC already, if I cant get a new hard-drive before tuesday I'm gonna miss the brewfest
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Monday
I say the vrykuls aren't really shamans since they very well could be using the power of the spirits of their ancestors, much the same way as their king does.
And yet you have nothing to back this up with besides conjecture, and fairly flimsy conjecture at that. If they used the spirits of their ancestors, wouldn't they be using buffs like Ymiron, instead of shaman spells?
when there's a lack of lore to back things up, what else other than conjectures can be used?
besides, they are never refered to as shaman, they are spiritualists, and as I told you, Witch Doctors and Shadow Hunters are a diferent class than shaman even if In-game they use the same spells. The same goes for Geomancers, who also have shamanistic spells even when they aren't really shamans.
Several mobs in the game use certain generic spells without being bundled to a specific class, Fireball, shadowbolt, and lightning bolt are prime candidates used by MANY NPCs in the game. And in not every case they are mage/warlock/shaman respectively.
However, if they are using multiple spells of a single type, can't one assume they ARE that type?
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Adamsm
It's a specific type of being
; not something folded into other classes; there are also the frost versions known as Cryomancers which were part of the RPG, as was the Pyromancer class.
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Behelich
Concerning domains and shamanism, this is what has been bugging me for some time.
Are there any non-gameplay reasons for lightning-based spells to be shamen and druid prerogative? I mean, what's the difference between weaving the arcane to conjure a fireball and a lightning bolt? In fact, perhaps the only lightning that is not used by a shaman I can remember is fel-tainted spell of Jaraxxus.
Thoughts?
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Atik
Change of topic for a bit, but this really bothers me. Prophet velen is of purple skin color in game, but in rise of the horde, he is described as "alabaster white". In the recently released wolfheart, he is yet again described as "alabaster white". Both novels are by different authors.
Wtf? Why is blizzard describing him as white in the books when he is purple in game?
I blame lighting.
When he shows up during the draenei quests, he is more of a light blue.
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