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GVHB
Ask a CDev Answers - Round 1
Captcha: Loofah Therapeuts.
Post by
Adamsm
The Furbolg.
Post by
Rankkor
very intresting read, my favorite spots are:
Q: What were Varok Saurfang's notable accomplishments prior to WoW?
A: Rumor also has it that Saurfang once cleaved three men in half with one swing… of his hand.
can't say I'm surprised, Saurfang is just the kind of guy who can kill you with just about anything you can find in a first aid kit.
Exept those soft cotton balls, he can only torture you for hours with those, but they're non-lethal (unfortunate for you if u're on the recieving end)
Q: What role, if any, will Med'an play in Cataclysm?
A: Med'an
will not be visible in Cataclysm
; something else is keeping him occupied.
and the fandom REJOICED!
/huzzah
Special Edit:
Q: What is Tiffin Wrynn's backstory in terms of family, original nation, etc.? I'd be curious as to what connections were set up through that marriage.
A: We'll keep this brief because we could easily write a few pages for this one. Tiffin Wrynn was originally Tiffin Ellerian of the Ellerian noble family of Stormwind, a small house that only had a small chunk of land in Westfall. Her marriage to Varian was pre-arranged at her birth, finally securing her family a spot on the Stormwind House of Nobles. Tiffin and Varian initially disliked each other, but they eventually became inseparable. Tiffin helped Varian control his
OCCASIONAL anger issues
and taught him economics, while Varian helped teach Tiffin about politics and social etiquette. Tiffin was eventually known as a queen of the people, and she was the most adamant supporter of paying the Stonemasons' Guild the initially agreed-upon sum. Her accidental death during the Stonemasons' Guild riot was a monumental loss for Varian, Anduin, and the people of Stormwind.
occasional my ass.
Post by
Adamsm
Q: What role, if any, will Med'an play in Cataclysm?
A: Med'an
will not be visible in Cataclysm
; something else is keeping him occupied.
and the fandom REJOICED!
/huzzah
Not I, I like Med'an.
Post by
Rankkor
ya, but you have to admit bro' that almost everyone HATES med'an (and rhonin, and just about any character spawned by knaak) Knowing that he's not gonna show up and take away MY glory is quite a good new to me.
Post by
Adamsm
Med'an wasn't spawned by Knaak heh; and I don't mind his creations either, yeah there over the top, but oh well, people can hate them all they want, but they are part of the Lore.
Post by
GVHB
ya, but you have to admit bro' that almost everyone HATES med'an (and rhonin, and just about any character spawned by knaak) Knowing that he's not gonna show up and take away MY glory is quite a good new to me.
He will be doing other things during Cataclysm.... I wonder how will Blizzard show us the "Adventures of the new Guardian of Tirisfal". Maybe, another comic (or a book, by Knaak obviously).
Captcha: Anomalous Unvoiced... hell this captchas are weird.
Post by
Adamsm
(or a book, by Knaak obviously).I'm betting we're going to see both Med'an and the New Council in the Shattering Book by Golden.
Post by
Skreeran
OHMYGAWD this Lore Q&A is everything I ever wanted.
A: Varok Saurfang has served with the Horde ever since he drank the blood of Mannoroth alongside Grom Hellscream
.
Varok led forces in the sacking of Shattrath, Stormwind, and everything between, never losing in battle until the Horde was routed at the end of the Second War.
When Orgrim Doomhammer seized control of the Horde in the First War, he chose Varok Saurfang as his second-in-command after witnessing Varok's efficient and brutal tactics on the field.
After the demonic bloodlust had been lifted from the orcs due to Grom Hellscream's sacrifice,
Varok helped dozens of veterans come to grips with their previous atrocities, ultimately saving the lives of many great Horde soldiers.
Rumor also has it that Saurfang once cleaved three men in half with one swing… of his hand. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D
I *!@#ing love Varok Saurfang.
(Code: Personal Compiler)
Post by
Rankkor
(or a book, by Knaak obviously).I'm betting we're going to see both Med'an and the New Council in the Shattering Book by Golden.
as long as his sued ass remains in the books that's fine by me.
I dislike him for the very same reasons I hate Alice from the resident evil movies (despite the fact that she's played by the HOT actress Milla Jovovich)
she went from a decent character with a normal set of skills, to an undefeatable machine capable of taking the T-virus without becoming a monster, fighting hand to hand with the FRIKKING NEMESIS ( a guy that can take rockets to the face, 50 cal bullets, particle ray beams, and was only killed by droping a nuke that leveled an entire city with him) and DEFEATED HIM WITH HER BARE HANDS.
then it's cranked up to 11 in the third movie where all of the sudden and for no explanation she develops psychic powers and telekinesis, and ends up becoming the dominating specie of the planet after finding and awakening an army of CLONES OF HERSELF.
whenever she's arround the REAL protagonists of the resident evil franchise (like Claire redfield, Carlos, or frikking Jill Valentine) all of said protagonists only exist to look dumb helpless and stupid in comparison to her and her magnificent glory, and the plot of the movies went from going arround the premise of Resident evil, to the biography of Alice, as the entire plot is about her, and she's the center of the universe. Heck, Carlos, a guy who was drawn to Jill in the original games suddenly was in love with alice on the movies, again for no aparent reason other than she's alice.
does this remind you of anyone?
Med'an started as a fine character and then everything changed when they made him the master of all forms of magic with little to no effort, and making him the perfect saviour of the world.
I can take it if he becomes a shaman expert in little to no time at all, as shaman spellcasting is all about being favored by the elements, so it is posible to become a super mighty shaman in less than 4 months, but becoming an expert in arcane magic takes YEARS of practice, and just being able to channel the holy light takes DECADES of meditation and strong faith, something that med'an can skip all togheter.
Post by
Adamsm
He's not an expert... seeing as the final issue of the comic had him off training to control his powers with his uncle. Yes, he took down C'thun and Cho'gall, but that was channeling the Guardian's power; the first Guardian did the same against the Dreadlord, despite being a normal magi before he was empowered. When your talking about the power of the Guardian, it's intended to have an addition of greatness to it.
As for Alice; /shrug, I don't care, I love the RE movies, even if they have nothing to do with the games anymore(of course, the games themselves have nothing to do with the games anymore).
Post by
Skreeran
Yeah, he's not an expert, really. Thrall still beats the pants off of him in Shamaneering, Tirion spanks his ass in the Holy Light, and he's still only moderately good with arcane magic.
His strength lies in his mixed-blood. He was blessed with the gift of Shamanism (thanks to his orcish quarter), and his draenei and human sides grant him a natural affinity for Holy and Arcane magic.
He's been training in Arcane magic all his life, and apparently shamanism as well (he was using shamanistic abilities before the council was even formed). And he has Maraad to teach him in the Light.
Besides, look how fast Thrall learned Shamanism in Lord of the Clans. He went from gladiator slave ro city destroying super-shaman in just a few months. That book makes it quite apparent that it's not how much time you spend practicing shamanism, it's all about how much the elements sympathize with your cause and motives.
Yes, Med'an was a sue in the comics. He popped up out of nowhere as the super secret retcon son of Medivh and Garona. Everything revolved around him and his destiny and they just arbitrarily decided to make a teenager the most powerful mortal on the planet. He was a sue there, yes.
However, the character can recover from it.
As a character, if you ignore the comics, there's nothing particularly implausible about him. It makes sense that Garona and Medivh could have had a relationship. It makes sense that Garona could be half-draenei. Reforming the council and making a new guardian doesn't make a ton of sense, but it could happen too (especially when you look at how the first council was formed).
The comics were terribly written. Like Knaak, they were poorly written and had lots of unnecessary characters thrown in (due to DCs desire to sell action figures). However, Med'an was Metzen's idea apparently:
I definitely feel that (hint, hint, hint) that it may be a plotline or a track of ideas that we are likely to get into at some future point. I think that there is a lot of really cool pepper there and we have had a number of discussions about what the Order of Tirisfal really was back in the day, how it worked, how these very disparate people imparted their powers on to a singular champion. I think there is a lot of really good hooks there.
What the question would be, with the Burning Legion essentially stymied for the time being in Outland and in “terrestrial” Azeroth, what kind of guardian does the world need now? That’s actually the cool hook that I think we’re interested in pursuing. And could the guardian take a different shape this time? What the world needed most back in the day, turned out to be some dude from the kingdom of Stormwind, but how interesting if the guardian did not come from the human line?
So that is very fertile ground.
Thrall was also Metzen's idea. Looking at Thrall's story from the perspective of a person living in 2001 (when it was written), Thrall would have seemed to be a huge marty-sam. "Ooh, I'm the super-special chieftain's son that was raised by humans and proves that orcs are actually good" "Oh, orcs aren't evil, we're just misunderstood... We're really peaceful shaman and honorable warriors. Humans are the drunk jerks, we were tricked by demons..."
(Note: Lord of the Clans was very well written, unlike the comics. I'm merely saying that Thrall's story would have been a retcon on the level of Med'an at the time it was written).
And yet, we see now that Thrall has ended up as a very good character (mostly, he's taken a dive recently, but he may pull up yet.) I have hope for Med'an. If treated right (for example, by Golden, in the Cataclysm books), he may end up being a solid, well-formed character. If treated wrong, he'll just stay a sue.
But, despite his terrible performance out of the gate (thanks to Walter Simonson), I still haven't given up hope on the character.
Post by
GVHB
As I see it, Med'an has a concept very similar to others comic book superheroes. You know, he fighting alone (even though he was being given power by some of the most powerful spellcasters of Azeroth) toe-to-toe with a giant mutant empowered by an ancient and powerful evil force and overcoming the maddening whispers of said ancient evil force.
But this might be because he was conceived in a comic.
Post by
Rankkor
Besides, look how fast Thrall learned Shamanism in Lord of the Clans. He went from gladiator slave ro city destroying super-shaman in just a few months. That book makes it quite apparent that it's not how much time you spend practicing shamanism, it's all about how much the elements sympathize with your cause and motives.
as I said, it's excusable on the shamanic part because shamanism doesn't require years of training and practice, it simply requires you having the "potential" to comune with the elements (wich BTW isn't inherited just by being desendant from a shamanic race, the elements can choose whoever they want even humans or gnomes)
once you have the potential, if the elements like you, then you're a strong shaman, that isn't dependant on time.
but on med'an learning the other arts so quickly definitly goes for a sueish part.
Look how it took years for Thrall to become a strong warrior, because being a warrior takes years of practice, same as being a mage takes years of practice to just channel a single spell, being a paladin takes lots and lots and lots and LOOOTS of years of meditation and prayers and lots of stuff just to be able to wield the light.
I supose u're right in saying that Med'an can be fixed, he's not behond salvation from the sue-land
Post by
Skreeran
(wich BTW isn't inherited just by being desendant from a shamanic race, the elements can choose whoever they want even humans or gnomes)I know that, it's just that orcs have a racial history of shamanism. Why else do you think so many orcs are born with the gift of shamanism, while gnomes and humans rarely (if ever) are?
but on med'an learning the other arts so quickly definitly goes for a sueish part.Really, the Light was the only one he learned fast. He'd been practicing with Arcane magic alongside Meryl (and
incredibly
powerful mage) all his life. And he hardly used the Light at all until he became guardian, at which point a portion of Maraad and Rohan's knowledge was transferred to him (I believe, still a bit fuzzy on that part).
Post by
Adamsm
Look how it took years for Thrall to become a strong warrior, because being a warrior takes years of practice, same as being a mage takes years of practice to just channel a single spell, being a paladin takes lots and lots and lots and LOOOTS of years of meditation and prayers and lots of stuff just to be able to wield the light.Which is why, again, he's off training with Maarad to learn how to use the powers to their full strength.
Post by
Skreeran
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/1839-Cataclysm-Closed-Beta-Test
OMFG It's started!
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Post by
Rankkor
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/1839-Cataclysm-Closed-Beta-Test
OMFG It's started!
this
is the best music to describe this moment skree xD.
everyone BRACE YOURSELF for the MASSIVE INFLUX of posts and info regarding cataclysm.
Those who do not want to be spoiled better unplug your internet conections and stay the hell away from every single civilized forum in the world. BECAUSE IT'S LIVE MY FRIENDS, THE BETA IS LIVE!.
I bet you 50 bucks right now, that in the next 3 days, the cataclysm forum will have 7 new pages of posts, mark my words, 7 pages of new posts.
Post by
Skreeran
http://www.wow.com/2010/06/30/cataclysm-beta-worgen-silly-and-flirt-sounds/
Hearing that the Worgen have one set of jokes recorded in typical human male voice, and another set of the same jokes recorded in a Werewolf sounding voice is fantastic on Blizzard's part. I had expected them to use one set for both forms for some reason. Good to see them going the extra mile.
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