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Post by
Skreeran
So most likely the major changes happened in a single day?Probably. Think of it like a massive earthquake on earth, while volcanoes and tidal waves are also being set off all over the world. A lot of geography would change in that one day.
Post by
Rankkor
however, the political changes (humans burning down taurajo, Garrosh movilizing his forces to ashenvale, the tons of new alliance and horde bases in so many zones) do take place months after the cataclysm.
I think this expantion is gonna be diferent from the others, because on the others we go to the next one right after the end of the previous one.
that is to say: We defeated Kil'jaeden on the sunwell, and a few months later the atack on the scarlet enclave happened, after it, some of the lich king's DK's defected, and then a few months later the scourge hits SW and ORG, after wich point the alliance and horde sail to the north.
then a few more months happen (this is the time where they build those new bases) and finnaly, WE (players) go to northrend at WOTLK launch.
cataclysm however seem to take an even longer interlude time, after the lich king is down, we have the events of the book Stormrage, and after that, there's the events of a full trilogy of books known colectively as "The Shattering".
so my best guess is the cataclysm doesn't happen untill (as skree said) 5 years after the defeat of the lich king. In-game we won't wait 5 years, we killed the lich king, then the events of stormrage happened, then the assault on the ruby sanctum happens, then the natural disaster known as the cataclysm happens, then the events of the book (wich most likely detail the political changes the cataclysm brings) and then cataclysm launches.
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Adamsm
No fluffy dogs there.
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Adamsm
Hey, I just had a quick question. Is there any particular forsaken character representing the "goodness and peace loving" in their race? like Thrall is for orcs, Jaina for humans etc.
Him
and
him
are the 'best' examples of the Forsaken.
Post by
Rankkor
how could you forget about high executor anselm?
I'll admit he's not a "goodness and peace loving" kinda fellow, but he's displayed honor and loyalty, contrary to the common backstabing and dirty playing of most forsakens.
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451455
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Post by
Rankkor
Loyal, but evil.
name 1 thing he's done that's evil and then we have a topic.
till then "he's evil just cuz he's forsaken" will not cut it.
so far all his actions have been noble.
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Post by
Skreeran
Loyal, but evil.
name 1 thing he's done that's evil and then we have a topic.
till then "he's evil just cuz he's forsaken" will not cut it.
so far all his actions have been noble.
Don't put words in my mouth. I never said he is evil because he is a Forsaken.
I said he is evil because he abushed a Stormwind fleet just because they are Alliance.
He even admits it himself: "we'll crush the Alliance wherever we find them."
He is your typical all "Alliance must die" Forsaken.
Don't say "This is a war, kill or be killed" the Alliance and Horde were not at war by this point. Anselm only attacked the fleet because he is an asshat.We still don't know who started that fight.
It could be that the Forsaken attacked the Alliance fleet as soon as they showed up.
It could be that the Alliance saw Forsaken ships and just started shooting.
We don't know.
Whatever happened, Anselm is going to finish the fight, because that's what a good general should do.
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Post by
Skreeran
This should have been a walk in the park. Their forces are hungry, injured and ill equipped. Yet somehow, we walked right into their trap.
This sounds like the sort of people who would go around attacking people for no reason.
But your right, Skreeran, Anselm is a good general. Attacking a poorly defended fleet and helping to starting a war. Now
that's
genius!Why don't you prove the Horde started it?
We approached these reefs from the south to gain cover and were immediately boarded by the Alliance dogs.
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Post by
Rankkor
:P give it up darkton, there's no way for you to prove the horde started it, we can't use speculation into a debate, we use what we know, and what we know is that anselm is a good general, a loyal soldier, and unlike several forsaken who see the backstabing and dirty fighting as their nature, he remains true to his virtues from when he was alive.
wheter the forsaken atacked first or not is something that can't be proven, but let me put this to chew on.........
who's territory is that? vengeance landing is a forsaken base, what the hell was an alliance fleet doing there? vengeance landing is nowhere near an alliance port, nor is it on the way of an alliance base.........
they weren't scouting, you don't send a fleet for scouting missions, the idea of a scout is to gather information without being detected......
and while the alliance and horde weren't at war with each other at that moment, they still were hostile to one another.
Do i have to remind you of that frikking female gnomish ho' on borean tundra who sent alliance troops to kill a magnataur leader and then put the blame on the horde? that was an unprovoked atack by the gnomes wich caused a crap-load of horde casualties including one of the wisest shamans of the warsong clan............
If anything, on the pre-wrathgate the horde displayed more honor than the alliance by A: not sending fleets to alliance-controlled parts of the terrain, and B: not executing the deserters who fled to warsong hold but rather turn them in.........
I said that Anselm wants to spread genocide across the Alliance and is an ass (Speculation)
fixed that for you, he didn't said he wanted to spread genocide, he didn't sailed to norhrend to kill alliance troops, his dialog makes it very clear that his main goal is to kill the lich king and that IF THE ALLIANCE GETS IN THE WAY, he will kill them.
by "getting in the way" he must mean stuff like sending a fleet to his lands, or overall stalling their progress.
nowhere does he says that he will go out of his way to pursue and execute alliance personel, u're the one who's making that part up.
u're also making up the part that he's an ass, because after you do quests for him, he's neither rude, nor impolite, nor a jerk or anything.
just cuz he's good at what he does (leading troops) doesn't make him an ass. If anything, garrosh is an ass, as he treats you like dirt when you arrive, even if you save his frikking village.
The same Alliance "dogs" they already ambushed. Should they have just done nothing and let the Forsaken kill them?
humm, if the forsaken were the ones who "ambushed" the alliance, then how did the alliance managed to board the forsaken ships? unless...... =O it was the alliance who boarded the horde ships first.......... by..... ya know, taking them by surprise (aka Ambushing them) There's also the fact that the stormwind fleet is mostly intact, while the forsaken fleet is in ruins, with only a couple of ships still standing, whereas most of the stormwind fleet is complete, wich proves who ambushed who.
also.....
you're the one who brought up who started the conflict (theory), you prove it.
this is odd, because as I recall u're the one who brought up who atacked first, rigth here, look.....
I said he is evil because he abushed a Stormwind fleet just because they are Alliance.
thou words seem to be in conflict my good sire.
Post by
Skreeran
I said that Anselm wants to spread genocide across the Alliance and is an ass (fact), you're the one who brought up who started the conflict (theory), you prove it.I said that it cannot be proven. You're saying it can.
If it can, then prove it.
The same Alliance "dogs" they already ambushed. Should they have just done nothing and let the Forsaken kill them?They said that they walked into an alliance trap. How does that equate to them doing the ambushing?
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