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Blood tanking and H TOC problems
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Altera
The past few H TOC runs I have tanked have been pretty rought. I thought I was doing it right but now I'm thinking maybe it's me. After several high repair bills and many comments from healers like, "I can't keep you up" or "Man you're taking a lot of damage," etc... Is it me or have I just had lousy healers?
Here's my DK tank:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Draenor&n=Puntee
Anyone see any obvious problems with gear/spec that would make H TOC so problematic? I have about 60 conquest badges and 35 triumph badges. I was thinking of getting the T9 chest and the Sigil of Insolence. Would those be good purchases or should I look at spending them on something else? If so, what?
BTW, I frequently check my combat log during these runs, and it seems I seldom take any damage over 5-6k per hit. Are my healers just sleeping? Also, on this last run I had, the rogue was DPS'ing from the front with me...was he getting parried and resetting the mob's swing? Or do I not know what I'm talking about?
Should I look into a frost tank spec? Does frost offer better mitigation?
Thanks for any advice or suggestions
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Aris
You are a little undergeared. You have to remember, H-ToC drops ilvl 219 gear. This is the same item level as 10man ulduar, and you are barely geared enough to tank 10man ulduar.
Also, your tanking with a spec that takes more damage than say frost, especially at lower gear levels. You don't get an additional 2% damage reduction, or an extra 3% avoidance just from talents.
Blood Tank is an end game spec, because it is very gear dependent, and honestly your not there yet. The appeal of blood to end game raiders is the large health pool mixed with the high single target threat generation. Well in a raid where you have plenty of healers to keep you topped off, and the biggest issue is threat capping your dps, this is all well and good. But in a 5man where you have only 1 healer to take care of everyone, and your excess threat gen is likely going to waist, the bonus' of blood spec tanking are wasted, and your left with just the negatives. Its still do-able, but you almost have to overgear the 5man content your doing to compensate. Which you are not.
I think its a combination of being barely geared enough to do the content mixed with a tanking spec that is very gear dependent.
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Aris
I went into h Toc much worse geared than he, with about 26k hp, blue hc Vh weapon with unholy spec and i did just fine. Thats because dps was also fine, and so was healer.
You can get carried through almost any content with enough compensation.
Healing yourself after the fact does you no good if that hit kills you. Which is why you need to have good enough gear to survive those hits so your self heal has time to work. Here is where your gear dependency comes in.
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Aris
Me manipulate? You mean like how you countered my frost vs blood argument by bringing up unholy which i never even mention? Ok, who's manipulating now?
H-ToC is not your normal 5man heroic. You cannot clump H-ToC into that category.
WotN "cannot occur more often than once every 15 seconds". If your gear is not good enough, its not outside the realm of possibilities that you are going to be taking too much damage to heal through more often than that.
They do not contradict themselves. You can get carried through just about anything, IF your party greatly outgears you, hence the entire concept of being "carried". Understanding concepts is important if you want to keep up with conversations. IF on the other hand your party is adequately geared for the content, and you are not, then in comes gear dependency.
Saying a spec is not gear dependent because you have friends that greatly outgear you to keep you alive is retarded.
Your entire argument seems to be based on the fact that if everyone else in your group outgears you enough, then you can be in greens/blues with 540 defense and tank anything, which is not the case unless you want to be "carried".
Do you even understand the concept of being "carried through content"?
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parnasistis
omg i read very useless information here!you loose the point guys!.your gear is good for totc heroic dont worry about it and your avoid is good too.i started doing totc heroic with worst gear and did fine since dps is good and that is very importand.frost spec wil not help u survive more.you can do totc heroic with any spec u want just be sure you have the 5/5/5.i did totc heroic as blood and frost with the same results.now i prefer blood for more stamina.the only problem in your case is healers!the first part with the 3 bosses is the hardest when u pull use icebound fortitude,when it fades use mark of blood will help a lot healers to keep u alive and rune tap when its not on cd or hit with deathstrike if needed).dont forget totc heroic is harder than any heroic.that means you should use your cds properly the healer has to do the same and NEVER be in same group with dps that have blue and greens cause the fights will last longer the damage you take from bosses is high enough to make healers suffer.and guys we are talking about heroic totc NOT Algalon so chill out about gear and percentages of avoidance and specific talents.the guy asked a simple advice.
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karlusdavius
Your entire argument seems to be based on the fact that if everyone else in your group outgears you enough, then you can be in greens/blues with 540 defense and tank anything, which is not the case unless you want to be "carried".
Greens no. I didint mention any greens. And yes you can tank any heroic with 535 defence (heroic cap) and 5/5/5 as long as you know what you are doing and are in Frost pressence. The whole idea of heroic is that you are supposed to be geared for them outside heroics. And Toc normal doesnt count for that, because you are suppose to be ready for tanking heroics in quest/rep/normal drop blues and some epic craftables. That is as long as your healer and dps know what they are doing as well.
Do you even understand the concept of being "carried through content"?
Seems you dont. Carried trough content is when your gear isnt enough to handle it.
If you can tank something, keep agro and dont die i hardly can see a case of not being able to handle the content. You sure have to be healed a little more than Ulduar25 geared tank and any half brained healer can notice that before the encounter begins.
I dont see a reason to say you have been carried trough in this scenario.
omg i read very useless information here!you loose the point guys!.your gear is good for totc heroic dont worry about it and your avoid is good too.i started doing totc heroic with worst gear and did fine since dps is good and that is very importand.frost spec wil not help u survive more.you can do totc heroic with any spec u want just be sure you have the 5/5/5.i did totc heroic as blood and frost with the same results.now i prefer blood for more stamina.the only problem in your case is healers!the first part with the 3 bosses is the hardest when u pull use icebound fortitude,when it fades use mark of blood will help a lot healers to keep u alive and rune tap when its not on cd or hit with deathstrike if needed).dont forget totc heroic is harder than any heroic.that means you should use your cds properly the healer has to do the same and NEVER be in same group with dps that have blue and greens cause the fights will last longer the damage you take from bosses is high enough to make healers suffer.and guys we are talking about heroic totc NOT Algalon so chill out about gear and percentages of avoidance and specific talents.the guy asked a simple advice.
Wall of text hits us for 28k damage (Critical) (267 Overkill).
Your Attitude Hits Us for 56491536482581941 Damage (Critical).
You have managed to turn this seemly straight forward question into an ego war. Im sorry, but i don't think you can talk about pro active healing without knowing the healing setup.
The simple fact is that he could of had some healing, yet he could also have had a lovely MS debuff up at the time that wasn't purged. A lot of things happen in that instance. Rotate your CD's, Take a health flask, You will find it much, much easier if your the source of that pro active healing by popping mitigating effects.
(
Essence of gossamer
is a good trinket to use for that instance)
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Post by
Kopec
Just because you don't want to hear the truth doesn't mean Zakkhar isn't right. If you want solid advice read what he has to say.
Almodmen's spec is absolutely terrible.
Your Attitude Hits Us for 56491536482581941 Damage (Critical).
Oh man, that was clever. I wish I could faceroll my spell rotation as well as you can faceroll numbers off like that.
And anyone who posts a wall of text like parnasistis should be banned.
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