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Hyperspacerebel
Oh, but the Crusaders did.
You fail at
being witty
making a coherent point.
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Hyperspacerebel
Hyper trolling is best ignored
As in ignore trazura
I don't get trolled. People troll themselves off of me.
Post by
Orranis
I agree, now I can stop de-railing political debate threads. I'm in!
Post by
Lecks
There's a question I'd very much like answered by one of the religious people.
Presumably there was a time in your life when you questioned your faith or felt lost despite of it. What I'm eager to know is how you re-aquired or strengthened your faith.
Which events led you to the conclusion that your religion has the answers, or perhaps something else, you were looking for?
Post by
Orranis
I have read the debate uptill now and am a bit confused but a theory for religion:
there are 3 ways things could have come to exist
they came about randomly ( atheist majority belief, others are simply atheist because they can't beleive
they made themselves
God or gods made them
Firstly before I explain my point of view there will always be a part of faith involved .
Number 2
I refuse to think of and so do most people even atheist due to the nature of time.
Between 1 and 3
I believe that one thing came about randomly is more plausible than a whole universe.
More proof for 3
A study showed that the human minds meditates and is receptive positivly to prayer.
What? How does this prove anything? No more so than say meditation. It could be a part of self-induced happiness, it shows no proof to God creating the world at all.
There have been a number of miracles and knowledge that is almost impossible to have been found out normally at the time yet have been proven fact by science recently
Muslims believe that while trying to convert the idolaters of mecca he split the moon in two, a recent(as in the last 10 years im not sure when) showed that there is a fracture line running along the whole moon
Christians believe that mosses (or Christ i need to look it up) split the red sea while he was leaving Egypt recently (again in the last 10 years), Egyptian researchers found a body dressed in what looks like pharaohnic garb in the bottom of the red sea preserved by the salt.
Again, you must note that not everything has to do that. There are many ancient and forgotten technologies that could discover things "Way before their time" and then, in kicks "Well, how did this happen? Duuuhhh... Jeebus did it!" (Not to different from Greeks going "Why does lightning happen... Uhh... there's a dude chucking lightning at us when he gets angry.") It is not actual proof. Not to mention there are plenty of holes in the moon, and coincedinks do happen.
On the second one, I'm a Jewish-Athiest (I do not believe in God but I believe in the fundamentals of Judaism, and some stories to a degree.), and it was not just one Pharoa but an entire army that fallowed the Hebrews through the red sea, so one body does not prove anything. It could be just another form of preservation, or even a Pharoa was murdered and thrown in the sea to dispose of the bodies, it happens with monarchs often enough. You don't need to jump to such rapid conclusions.
In the medical part
All three Abrahamic religions believe in not eating pork ( yet because it is stated in the old testament the majority of Christians believe it does not apply) and i think most people would agree that pork carries many diseases and parasite that are hard to regulate (h1n1, just a note)
I don't see how this proves anything about God. Think about it, if you went to America today and said "Yo dudes, your pork is bad for you, stop eating it" they'd laugh in your face. Now if the pope went and did the same thing, then a good lot of people would. The fact they knew pork can give diseases says nothing at all, as it's a cause and effect. Sooner or later they're going to figure out that eating the pig in the desert makes you sick, because everyone who does gets sick.
the Islamic belief that one third of the stomach is for food another for water and another for air is now being taught in many dietary courses
So? They cut open a stomach seventeen hundred years ago, big whoop. These religions aren't as ancient as one might think, there was some science practices going on. Just because they figured out how the body works first (Which they didn't by the way), doesn't mean they know best who/what made it.
(need something for Christianity and Judaism)
And weather there is one or more gods i believe it is one because otherwise there would fight unless they were so alike they were one.
What? What makes you think that? They're God like beings, way beyond humanity, why are you assuming the same for them. Not to mention, how does this prove anything? What if there were multiple Gods
and
they fought? What of it? Sounds a bit like Armageddon to me.
my tie can you please try to revive the first thread i had posted in and
my gosh are you radical
in a positive way
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Presumably there was a time in your life when you questioned your faith or felt lost despite of it. What I'm eager to know is how you re-aquired or strengthened your faith.
Which events led you to the conclusion that your religion has the answers, or perhaps something else, you were looking for?
High School. I hated my parents and pretty much everything they stood for (including their Catholicism). I also got into some bad company and started dating the wrong type of girl. I won't bore you with all the details, but I made a lot of bad decisions and eventually lost my faith.
Life became so pointless at that point that I desperately began studying philosophies and religions. I spent most of the first part of that time as an agnostic, not willing to say God existed but not prepared to deny his existence either. Eventually, I ran into Taoism, and that was a very big influence on my life. It brought me a lot of peace, but every time I really tried to go anywhere with it I felt like I was held back.
Over those difficult years I met 3 Catholics, two of whom were priests, who had a large influence on me. Every time I brought a problem to one of them they had an answer. By this time I began focusing on Catholic philosophies and finally came back to the Church completely.
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204878
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Was there any time in your life you were another denomination of Christianity?
No.
Edit: Though, my dad was Methodist (I think...it's been a while), he didn;t become a Catholic until I was ~9-10.
Post by
Orranis
1. If there was no God how was anything made? Now think beyond the formation of earth, there is so much space and it goes on forever but it all started some where.
Or does it? What makes you so sure of this? Even after that, if it
all
started somewhere, where did God start, and if he is eternal, where did he reside?
2. For earth to exist it had to have been designed. Earth is perfect we have an atmosphere protecting us we spin, have a moon ,we're the perfect distance from the sun, the list keeps going. If any of this was slightly off we would not be here.
You may think this is to perfect to be a coinkedink, but in reality, it's not. The human mind finds it almost impossible to grasp such concepts as deep time or space, just as it fails to comprehend absolute nothingness or infinity. There are countless planets, and more are always forming. It would be as you think it is if there was only one planet that could sustain life.
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204878
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Post by
TheMediator
Obviously, the trillions (more?) of other Earths that have a factor or two wrong that prevented life from emerging on them means that Earth was designed... that makes PERFECT sense. Mmmm... I threw a huge, huge number of quarters randomly out in front on me... I see some piles of heads - obviously it was my intent to create a pile of heads amid the almost countably infinite number of coins.
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Hyperspacerebel
Hyper trolling is best ignored
As in ignore trazura
I don't get trolled. People troll themselves off of me.
It's funny how you think you are internet savvy.
How funny that you think that I think that I am internet savvy.
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TheMediator
How funny that you think that I think that I am internet savvy.
Should I say it.... ehhh, why not.
Its funny that you think that he thinks that you think that you are internet savvy.
:)
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Post by
Skyfire
To athiests / agnostics - Have you ever considered the possibility of another theory other than the big bang and what is it? I myself am an athiest, and the only reason I take the big bang for granted is because that's all I've ever been told. I've never really thought about the possiblity of another scientific theory concerning the beggining of the universe, and I know very little about the science behind the big bang. As far as I'm aware, there was just a big-assed explosion and everything was created >.<
Wikipedia has a nice read (featured article) on the Big Bang,
which I'm sure will lead you to other theories.
Post by
TheMediator
Have you ever considered the possibility of another theory other than the big bang and what is it?
Well, there is steady state - that everything has always existed (at least that's how I understood it originally, not sure if its developed in a different way). Helps defeat the whole "What created stuff" problem if it was always there always. Not that I like it and not the evidence points towards it, but its an alternative. I don't even know if steady state is talked about anymore though, I think for the most part big bang has enough evidence to say, "Eh, steady state probably isn't the way it is."
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