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Orranis
I doubt Judaism was the first.The time period affect it because it relates to the now and here.Yes, I was mistaken at the Egyptian gods , History is linear in Egypt meaning I haven't studied them for about 7 years and even then not in depth , more there achievements.
The main argument still stands the exception could have still been A pantheon.
Keep in mind that the belief in multiple gods was that they controlled/were natural phenomenons , and the multiple natural catastrophes were attributed to there fights and anger, a volcano has a donkey-dragon-snake-lots of things creature under it called typhoon,and other such examples
Umm... It's historically confirmed Judaism was the first Abrahamic religion... First of all, I doubt Christianity is first, seeing as they took Genesis and Exodus (Not sure if this is in bible) from Judaic texts, as well as the fact Christ was born Jewish, and Christianity was developed about a hundred years after Christ died. Seeing as Jesus, who we have already confirmed comes after Judaism, is written as a prophet in the texts of Islam (As well as Moses and such, from Judaism), it is only logical that Islam came later. This is ignoring all the archeology that shows Judaism coming first.
What argument? You have made no real argument against it. Who's to say that the clouds aren't made out of the brains of Ymir? Is it any more ridiculous than wine being the blood of God's son? Also keep in mind, that you have no proof that
if
God/s do exist, they are of any that we pray/are aware of. What if three Gods called Lol Bur and Kek said "Let there be light", and there was light? What if the three Gods split the seven days to create the universe/world between each other? Can you prove otherwise? Not to mention, if you wanted to rule out all those unscientific myths about volcanoes and such, the only real religion that would still exist would be Pastafarianism.
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My 4 minutes of research suggests Zoroastrianism is the first Monotheistic religion.
There is a great amount of evidence that Pharaoh Akhenaten was the first monotheist, although it died out immediately after he died.
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Judaism is the first Abraham religion., not the first mono-theistic religion.
Actually the argument is, many gods are liable to fight each other, but if they agree totally then they act as one entity.Islam has no such myths in the Quran, actually the only myth that may be scientifically illogical is that a certain mountain loves us, which can be metaphorically,ex. This computer loves me whenever someone takes it from me it freezes and lags and the internet drops.
So I could be wrong, but that is not actually very relevant to the topic at hand.
You mentioned before that the moon was split. There is no scientific evidence showing this. The black stone which "fell from heaven" could be considered a myth, as their is no proof of heaven. The idea that God made man in his image is scientifically illogical, as from the information we have right now we most likely evolved from a less advanced species.
What? Being liable to fight and totally agreeing are black and white. There is a gray here. What if say, there was one God who made the Sun. Then there was another who, not to be outdone, made the planets. They are not battling, but they are obviously competing. Not only this, but you're saying they are "liable" as if we have taken social experiments of Gods, and enough of which to say with some amount of certainty that they often fight. I cannot stress this point enough.
They are Gods
. You might argue that in most Pantheons there are fights breaking out (Set and Horus, Aesir and Vanir, Athena and Ares, etc.), you have to understand that if these "Gods" we speak of are Omni-something in some way (Which they are by definition, otherwise they are deities), they are beyond human comprehension. While humans have the tendency to fight, and thus have assumed that Gods do to, that cannot be used as proof as to what a God's behavior would be.
Generally, I'm under the impression that you think there are many beliefs in the world, and it's all about which one is correct. I am trying to say that it could be anything. It could be an infinite amount of Gods who created an infinite amount of dimensions and a set of laws of physics for each one, or it could be one chaotic mass. It could be the big bang, or it could be that at first it was pure chaos, but chaos, being true chaos (randomly having everything in it), produced at least one lawful world, and that is us. You don't know. Stop guessing at the God's actions based on our own stories.
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but atheist who also only ever did bad deeds well they dont deserve anything as they faulted in god and humanity and god may be merciful to those who fault him he would be unfair to not deal justice between men ib the final, or maybe not so final, rest.Except God is suppose to be all about forgiveness and willing to let people repent.
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Yes, christianity. also remeber that if you are religious death in this world isnt that much of a punishment
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Then why is it a sin to kill? So basically what you're saying is, it's only okay if God does it.
Gave proof that it didn,t have to show up, no scientific proof we were non_humans , just bones of less evolved humans which is acceptable in islam, islam doesn,t say we are in his image thats christianity and as far as i understand that is a metaphor for free will
There's no real proof of anything. Let's look at it this way:
We can prove that things have existed for billions of years.
We cannot prove that humans have existed for billions of years.
We can almost prove human evolution.
So yes, it would make more sense to go from logic based off of more accurate modern day science, then from a book written when there was much less science. You could say the whole book is a metaphor, and that you should just be a good person.
all the pantheons were deities, they had control over some parts not all, and they all fought and caused natural desasters and omnipotent being is still a being and what if they wanted diffrent thing, they would make diffent universes and i worship the one who made this one
All? You know very little. In Norse mythology, for example, the elements are the bidding of themselves and the Gods are merely very powerful and mortal beings. They get killed at Ragnarok. They still created the world though, from the body of Ymir the giant. The flaw in your argument is "what if". What if they don't want different things? What if they all-together made this universe? There, your argument is defeated by itself, as it is just as likely.
Actually its a proven fact there are many religions exsist, proof me and most of america not agreeing on the same religion, and not only one of them is right, in this you are right god is a god and he is not petty all those who do good deeds will probably see his mercy and , i don,t know but this is simply my speculation, he would probably have mercy even on atheist who did good deeds, but atheist who also only ever did bad deeds well they dont deserve anything as they faulted in god and humanity and god may be merciful to those who fault him he would be unfair to not deal justice between men ib the final, or maybe not so final, rest.
Many Religions? Really... I had no idea. I don't see what you're trying to say here that challenges Athiests/Agnostics.
By the way, it's near impossible to make out what you're saying.
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Adamsm
Alright, this is technically from a book series I enjoy reading, but.... it's something I've thought of a lot considering our own religions and Gods.
He tried to remember what Ulrich had taught him -- that Vkandis(the god in this case) was neither some cosmic accountant, who weighed and measured a man before deciding if he lived or died, nor was He a grand torturer, inflicting punishment after punishment upon the living to find their breaking points.
We have free will, all of us, and Vkandis interferes very little in our life in this world,
Ulrich had said.
He does not play with us as a child plays with toy soldiers or dolls, no does He test us to see us what we are made of. He allows us to live our lives and make our own choices, and only after we cross to join Him does He judge us on the basis of what we have and have not done with life and free will we were granted at birth -- and how well we have kept our word in promises made to HIm. What we choose to do intersects with what everyone else in our world chooses to do; sometimes those choices mean joy, sometimes sorrow, often a little of both. That may be why good things sometimes happen to evil people. Most assuredly, with no cause by the Sunlord's hand, bad things sometimes do happen to good people.
The religion is the book is something similar to the more fanatical versions of our own; those who feel they have the right to kill anyone who disbelieves against their own ideals. Of course, we find out that most of the Church was corrupt, and they had turned away from the God in it long ago, with the priest named in this, Ulrich, one who found out the original ideals.
However, what was said could stand for any and all religions.
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Alright, this is technically from a book series I enjoy reading, but.... it's something I've thought of a lot considering our own religions and Gods.
He tried to remember what Ulrich had taught him -- that Vkandis(the god in this case) was neither some cosmic accountant, who weighed and measured a man before deciding if he lived or died, nor was He a grand torturer, inflicting punishment after punishment upon the living to find their breaking points.
We have free will, all of us, and Vkandis interferes very little in our life in this world,
Ulrich had said.
He does not play with us as a child plays with toy soldiers or dolls, no does He test us to see us what we are made of. He allows us to live our lives and make our own choices, and only after we cross to join Him does He judge us on the basis of what we have and have not done with life and free will we were granted at birth -- and how well we have kept our word in promises made to HIm. What we choose to do intersects with what everyone else in our world chooses to do; sometimes those choices mean joy, sometimes sorrow, often a little of both. That may be why good things sometimes happen to evil people. Most assuredly, with no cause by the Sunlord's hand, bad things sometimes do happen to good people.
The religion is the book is something similar to the more fanatical versions of our own; those who feel they have the right to kill anyone who disbelieves against their own ideals. Of course, we find out that most of the Church was corrupt, and they had turned away from the God in it long ago, with the priest named in this, Ulrich, one who found out the original ideals.
However, what was said could stand for any and all religions.
This is a lot like the Jewish God, Adoshem. It's not specified whether there is an afterlife, nor a hell or heaven ("heaven" is where God resides, it is very vague whether we get there or not). There's nothing saying "If you don't follow the ten commandments you're going to BURN FOR ETERNITY!111!" but that they are God's rules and you should follow them for the benefit of the community. (Judaism is very community based).
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Orranis
God made it, he can break it.
So your point was? we can prove less evolved human life but we can find the monkey-human link.
I said that the bible was a metaphor, the Quran is normal Arabic most parts , the problem being that arabic is metaphor heavy.
They had power over certain things, such as lightning for one.
I was challenging points you had made face shield.
I thought that the three abrahamic religions taught that he no longer interferes much on humanity and that we are judged after we die.
You're generalizing Pantheons way too much. Thor "the thunderer" had no power over lightning, it's that when he strikes with his hammer it makes a noise like thunder. Except for maybe Odin, none of the norse Gods had power over anything (and Odin only because he knew the runes, not because he was God of anything). Also specify points. Please tell me English is not your first language, you're terrible with it. Address who you are talking to, otherwise you are just blabbering randomly.
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