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What do you think the meaning of this line is?
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Post by
Skreeran
High Overlord Saurfang says: I think it was the sounds of the draenei children that unnerved most of them... You never forget... Have you ever been to Jaggedswine Farm? When the swine are of age for the slaughter... It's that sound. The sound of the swine being killed... It resonates the loudest. Those are hard times for us older veterans.
Garrosh Hellscream says: But surely you cannot think that those children were born into innocence? They would have grown up and taken arms against us!
<High Overlord Saurfang shakes his head.>
High Overlord Saurfang says:
I am not speaking solely of the children of our enemies...
I was in a debate a while back on the Official Forums (/gag) and someone tried to convince me that the Orcs slaughtered their own children on Draenor.
Now, I know this is a hugely warped suggestion (the orcs magically age their children between 6 and 12, but they didn't kill them). Still, do you think it's a reference to that? I'm not sure.
Post by
Adamsm
They corrupted their own childern yes, but outright slaughter? I don't think so.
Post by
Dralas
He could mean that he speaks about the fact that the war altogether meant that not only would the dreanei children get killed, but that this meant the same thing for the orcish children as well?
To be more specific, I mean perhaps he meant the orcish children would be viewed all too much the same by the dreanei of how Garrosh is looking at it.
Post by
HiVolt
Perhaps it refers to the innocents killed who weren't children, the merchants and humble citizens; anyone not belonging to the soldiery.
Or it very well could be a reference to the stolen childhood of many of the orcish youth. It would be hard to see those who were just children weeks before being killed in battle... perhaps he's talking about his own people leading many of them to the slaughter.
Post by
taurenmoo812
I do think Saurfang was simply refering to a larger scale of who the old, corrupted orcs slaughtered.
However for an added bit of orc lore, it seems, looking at a recent story in warcraft legends to do with Draka (Thralls mother) in her developing into a warrior after being so weak at birth, it seems to suggest that some of the more brutal orc clans in draenor (blackrock, shattered hand, shadowmoon) would kill there young if there saw them as being weak, even as children, if the child was frial it would have been killed outright. In Draka's case, she was born to frostwolf, so was spared this.
Obviously this is something that doesn't get pratcied in the new horde either, under Thrall's leadership and the banner of frostwolf.
Post by
Supremacy
Honestly?
I think it means what it sounds like.
If Saurfang is talking about slaughtering children, then he's talking about slaughtering children.
And if he says "not solely the children of our enemies", then it seems pretty clear he's talking about the children of people who weren't their enemies.
Which, at the time?
Probably only included other orcs.
So, yes, I'm fairly certain he's talking about the orcs killing orc children. I don't think there's really a deeper, metaphorical meaning here.
It bothers him, and the other veterans, that they were so crazed on demon blood that they were killing anything they saw, included children. Including their own.
Ghastly business, that.
Post by
Skreeran
Then why don't we have record of it anywhere else?
Post by
Gumballs
I, it seems to suggest that some of the more brutal orc clans in draenor (blackrock, shattered hand, shadowmoon) would kill there young if there saw them as being weak, even as children, if the child was frial it would have been killed outright.
I think this. I don't think every clan would be willing to kill their children. He could also be refering to the slaughtering of their own children and hearing their screams, but not neccissarily by the orcs own hands, and the guilt of not saving them. /shrug
Post by
HiVolt
I just had this epiphany... the Dying Times. Orcs had to fight clan against clan to survive during this era, thanks to the corruption of the land.
It's very possible that he's talking about separate clans killing each other's children with the raiding that took place during this time. Sure, they may not have gone out seeking to slaughter children then, but the Bloodlust wouldn't have allowed them to make the distinctions between adult and child, warrior and craftsman.
Saurfang's whole speech speaks of the evil that the bloodlust caused, and that may have undoubtedly been a part of it.
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Post by
Arkham
Given that what HiV0LT4G3 mentioned has been a known part of the lore for a while, and would have been a major feature in the history of the Old Horde (since the infighting is what motivated the Shadow Council to seek other worlds to invade in the first place), that one seems the most likely.
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Post by
HiVolt
:D
Post by
dumac
Then why don't we have record of it anywhere else?
since when does people willing record brutal savagery?
They probarly do not ever talk about it and keeps it hidden, so it is not really strange why it is not mention in the story line:)
And blizz could have not said this in stories due it plays a minor part of the role of events.
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