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Patty
I was not asked. My answer would still be "No" - It was not Garona which killed Llane, it was the Shadow Council in Garona's body. It is like the Theramore summit, she was obviously mind controlled but Varian either wants to kill her son and see her mourn her only child, or stick a sword in her stomach because she was a Shadow Council experiment, which he is now aware of.
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Patty
As a King of Stormwind? Okay.
If I went and killed someone out of a personal grudge, although there are factors which make her less of a villian, I would essentially be condoning murder, and the acts of the Defias, which killed my wife. Therefore, I would let my head take over my heart because I would not want to see my country decline into chaos and rioting in the streets yet again. I would also want to preserve and honour my wife's memory, and fight against unjustified murder.
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For christs sake, put your self in his shoes.
I did. You may want to read with an open mind, rather than a closed one. If he condoned murder, what sort of place would his son grow up in? You have to think sometimes as a ruler and a parent simultaneously!
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Skreeran
Have they been shown telling him?
So only Varian doesn't know of something like this?
All the people who know about it have been deeply involved in Theramore and the New Council. At the same time Varian was busy preparing for the Northrend offensive. There probably wasn't much communication.Jaina follows him everywhere and we know Valeera spends time in Stormwind.
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Adamsm
For christs sake, put your self in his shoes.
Will killing Garona bring back his father? No. Will killing Garona repair that hole in his soul? No. It's wrong to kill someone in the name of revenge, espically when that someone had no control of herself.
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As a King of Stormwind? Okay.
If I went and killed someone out of a personal grudge, although there are factors which make her less of a villian, I would essentially be condoning murder, and the acts of the Defias, which killed my wife. Therefore, I would let my head take over my heart because I would not want to see my country decline into chaos and rioting in the streets yet again. I would also want to preserve and honour my wife's memory, and fight against unjustified murder.
Maybe if Varian was a robot and not a human being.
He's a bunch of pixels.
Would you really want to disrespect your wife's memory, let your country go back into violence while trying to move on with your life and bring up your son? Killing Garona would do all of that - There's a difference between thinking about implications of actions and being a robot. As a leader, Varian should be doing the former.
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Rankkor
I did not know you need to be under mind control to miss a loved one.
This does not mean he refused to send anyone aid, in fact, they did not even need aid at this time, ya know why? 'Cause they did not need it.
ok dude, try to analize this pls, varian was kidnapped JUST BEFORE vainilla wow started.
moonbrook was razed SEVERAL YEARS before vainilla wow started.
this means, that when moonbrook was razed, varian was still on stormwind, and did nothing to help them.
the nightwatch wasn't formed just as vainilla wow started, they were formed a few years before, wich means that again, this was another town that needed aid from stormwind while varian was tehre and he did nothing.
No, she is just depressing him further. Varian's Wowwiki page says he and Anduin continued to lead a better furture for thier people
that was after anduin began to grow, you see, while anduin was a baby, varian was all numb-depresed, and did nothing to aid his kingdom, when anduin began to grow, varian slowly (very slowly) began to shook off his lethargy.
read the comic page I posted.
No, Prestor put a necklace on Bolvar so he would do what ever she said,making her the full regent in charge of Stormwind, so she could lead it to doom. This does not even prove they lost Moonbrook yet. I see no runner asking for help.
you saw no runner asking for help because those events happened before vainilla wow began, and varian was abducted just as the game started.
just face it bro, varian was arround when his people needed help, he wasn't kidnapped at the time, moonbrook isn't something that happened recently the town has been a ghost town for a long long time.
Its special effects.
no it's not, did you ever do the quest of the legend of stalvan? he was a human teacher, who worked in moonbrook for a while as a school teacher, but had to flee when the town was razed, after that he became a private tutor to a noble family FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, and then killed them all due to some inner problems and then several years passed since that murder took place..... the point is that moonbrook isn't somethign that just happened a few days before vainilla wow.
moonbrook, the fall of westfall, and the problems in darkshire all of them happened several years before varian's abduction, wich means he was arround and did nothing about these problems.
You are mistaking Varian's half self with Varian during his depression.
when varian said that, he was refering to the time when he was whole, and depressed over the death of tifflin.
You said he was going under some emo-attitude because he lost Tiffen.
read what I write dude, I said that the death of his wife depressed him wich weakned his will.
a man like varian wrynn can't be mind-controlled that easily, his will is strong, like VERY STRONG.
if tifflin wasn't killed katrana would had never controlled him in the first place.
but tifflin's death depressed varian, weakening his will, and that's how katrana controlled him.
it was anduin who slowly started to lift varian's spirits, and taht's why katrana decided to split the will from him to make the controll easier.
No one was starving, and the taxes were only there for a few weeks
I'll give this one to you, the high taxes were only to pay for half-varian ransom from the naga, so u're rite about this part.
quite frankly I don't know why ur'e in denial here darkton.
Varian was Mind-controlled, and during that time he was forced to do horrible things, stuff that he would NEVER do under normal circunstances.
he is a good king, he did restored his nation after he finnaly freed himself of katrana's poison. but while he was under her poison, katrana made of varian a bad king, a bad leader.
I'm not saying at all, that it's his fault, no no no, it's katrana's fault, but you cant' just deny that varian misbehaved during his time as a pawn, because he did darkton, he did.
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Patty
Pot Calling the Kettle BlackA sweet irony in itself. I look at things with a certain outlook, but I can be swayed by the right type of argument for me. Most of your examples hold little ground when you look at the fact he is a King.
If I killed your father and ripped his heart out after pretending to be his friend, you would hate you. no doubt.I hate several people, I wouldn't go out in cold blood and then kill them and make their child go through the same ordeal as myself.
And this would be a perfect experience for Anduin to learn to never give up. Stormwind has been hunting Garona for decades now. Anduin has already seen someone die. Nothing new.
That makes it any better? He is getting friendly with Me'dan, if Varian killed Garona, Me'dan would be in Varian's shoes. I don't really think that if Varian realised this he would like to kill Garona again.
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If I saw somebody kill my father right before my eyes I would want them to suffer and die.
I'm not arrogant enough to believe that I'm some saintlike pinnacle of forgiveness like you seem to think of yourself.Is this your attempt of aggrovating me, subtlely? Give me your worst.
If said person was a parent themself - I wouldn't want to see their child go through the exact same as I did. That starts a vicious cycle. I've realised for some time that revenge is pointless, it has never made me feel any better and it has not improved what was ruined by said person. Being a King, these issues are exaggerated drastically.
Justice =/= Death.
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